Chicagoist: Michael Chertoff Just Wants To Get To Know You Better

JRush

Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:38:47 -0600

If someone is going to "protect" me, I they have to be empowered to do it. If I want complete "protection" someone will have to complete power. I'm against REAL ID. It's already bad enough with Social Security numbers. I grow weary of the thinking people exhibit about what's "already going on." It is the "It's already bad, so let's make it worse" fallacy. We need to cherish our freedoms again. They were paid for at a high price. The soonest way to make progress when we are on the wrong road is to turn around. REAL ID bypasses the 4th Amendment. It is a blanket "warrant" for real time, constant searching by the government. Some say, "They're not interested in you!" Then leave me alone. JRush

navin

Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:35:22 -0600

It will "hamper the ability of terrorist and criminal aliens to move freely throughout our society by requiring that all states require proof of lawful presence in the U.S. for their drivers' licenses to be accepted as identification for federal purposes such as boarding a commercial airplane, entering a federal building, or a nuclear power plant," Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner, a Wisconsin Republican, said during the debate Thursday. Yeah because anybody can just waltz into a nuclear power plant if they've got a drivers license. What a tool. As somebody said on one of those sites: "Remember when we used to make fun of the U.S.S.R. for this kind of shit"

vinny

Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:51:32 -0600

I read the linked articles: it *is* typical EFF style wailing and paranoia. Having had my identity stolen in the crappy old decentralized way, let me tell you, I wish the perp had his fingerprint on his version of my drivers license. They could have actually caught him then.

sten

Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:44:17 -0600

Joesph, maybe you should read some of the linked articles before posting. The first one is great, props to Chicagoist for linking Bruce Schneier. RealID makes it easier to steal your identity, without providing any security benefit. That's not wailing or paranoia, that's our government continuing the recent trend of blowing tax dollars on "security" measures that make us less safe. There are no finite state machines. There are only a series of states that Bruce Schneier allows to exist.

jocelyn

Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:06:11 -0600

this one is where i draw the line. seriously. i'm not even at all kidding. i'll leave. i won't get one. i will NOT get one. i don't know what i WILL do, but i will start making plans.

vinny

Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:22:28 -0600

Godwin! You lose!

Joe

Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:16:30 -0600

navin: don't forget a pen and paper to write down the info of people that don't have 'em (love that scene in Schindler's List) :)

navin

Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:58:34 -0600

Sir I didn't ask your opinion. Now I'll ask you one last time. Show me your papers!

Joseph J. Finn

Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:12:42 -0600

While we're at it, why not get rid of driver licenses and passports as well, since those systems aren't 100% secure either? This whole brouhaha just strikes me as typical EFF-type wailing and paranoia. I certainly have my problems with the DHS and it's multiple violations of basic human and Constitutional rights, but something as basic as an ID card is not exactly one of them.