Los Angeles, We Never Knew You Cared

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Dear LAist,

When we read your mash note this morning, we were all set to go all Superboy-Prime on you. Such is the way we get when we read things that are critical of the City of Big Shoulders.

Except that it wasn't really critical. Maybe it was the full night's rest we got last night, or the really strong latte. Or the cold pizza we had for breakfast. Or maybe it was the second and third glances we took at your note. Whatever. We recognize longing when we see it, whether it's in someone's eyes, or in a letter. We're sure UPS and Piero's Pizza appreciate the results of your longing, too.

It's nice to live in a state with a moratorium on capital punishment, not that we flaunt it all that much. That would be unbecoming. We would make light of the fact that people in your state elected actors to the Governor's mansion — ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS — but we just re-elected an Elvis impersonator. Ronald Reagan, by the way, will always get points in our book for pardoning Merle Haggard, but nothing else. And while foie gras may be verboten in our fair city, trans fats seem to be going the way of the dinosaur everywhere. We would have thought that in a city as image conscious as Los Angeles that Angelinos would have acted as the spyboy on this particular battlefield. Then, that's the crux of being an Angelino, isn't it?

While we don't have any particular qualms with the city proper (we'll agree to disagree with your description of Los Angeles as a "Mediterranean-like wonder on the Pacific"), the term "L.A." conjures images in our heads of blissful apathy. You said it yourself: when it's cold there, it's 70 degrees. That would thaw even the most cynical people. Well, maybe not Kevin. He's a born contrarian and rabble-rouser.

Anyway, when you live in an eden, who would want to sully that with something as lowest common denominator as a pro football team? We know the NFL isn't quick on the uptake, and still wants to have a team in Los Angeles. But let's consider the facts. Few of your pro sports franchises were homegrown to begin with, the NFL teams that you did have left town for greener pastures years ago, and any NFL franchise is going to have to compete with fans from your semi-pro team. Leave the pro game to cities that get behind their franchises. Like Green Bay. And us.

We'd also like to clear up some misconceptions you have about us, besides the Grabowskis, who these days prefers a cork in his wine bottle. First, we do love our red meat and pizza, but Chicago is also the greatest culinary city in the world. Maybe you've read about some of our cutting-edge restaurants that take the presentation of food to the level of surrealist art. Or read the Michelin and AAA restaurant guides, and just took a look at the sheer volume of premium restaurants we have. Some of them are even accessible to reach via public transportation. Barring that, we still prostrate at the altar of the burrito, hot dog, and pork chop sandwich. We just wish we didn't have to go to the left coast to get our In-N-Out fix.

We'll have to admit that the CTA is a tender subject with us. But considering the sheer mess that is traffic in Los Angeles, we can't let you get away with calling it "not much better" than Los Angeles' public transportation system. Just because two-thirds of urban space in Los Angeles is devoted to transportation doesn't mean there's less gridlock. Here, if we can't rely on the CTA, we break out our bikes (even when it's 18 degrees outside), we carpool, and we even walk. It allows us to better view our world-class skyline and enormous park system.

We'd also like to address your misconceptions of our music scene, of which you claimed the only artist still relevant these days was an R&B singer with a predilection for water sports. We'd worry about what Lupe, Rhymefest, Catfish Haven, The Changes, Motep, Wilco, and countless others would think about it. But, like Jim Kelly in Enter the Dragon, they're too busy looking good. The most memorable music to come out of Los Angeles in 2006 arguably was Kelly Clarkson jamming with Metal Skool.

In closing, We hope that we're not giving the wrong impression. We didn't hate what you wrote. More to the point, there were a lot of things we agreed with. We just wished we had more than this limited space to show you just what a blessing it is to live in a wonderful city like Chicago, led by a mayor with a suspect grasp on the English language. As for your fair town, we don't hate it, and have never had a bad time in our visits. But it's kind of like a brief relationship, between soulmates. Your memory may not keep us warm, but it never leaves us cold.

Eat a "flying dutchman" for us, please.

Your partner-in-the-royal-"we",

Chicagoist

PS. The Smashing Pumpkins' high-water mark wasn't "Siamese Dream." It was "Adore."

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The only things LA has over Chicago

1- Warmer Climate
2- In n' Out Burger

That is all.

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The only things LA has over Chicago

1- Warmer Climate
2- In n' Out Burger

That is all.

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chicago has so much going for it right now it's kind of hard not to love the city. I hope it stays that way!

We'd worry about what Lupe, Rhymefest, Catfish Haven, The Changes, Motep, Wilco, and countless others would think about it.

Countless others like Kanye West and Common? Geez Chuck, you left out two of the biggest ones. That's it, I'm replacing James as the copy editor.

Totally agree on "Adore"! When I read the LAist thing - I was muttering to myself about them hailing MCIS as the greatest Pumpkins album. Whew. At least that point got made.

Matt: Have you forgotten the memo? We no longer count Kanye.

Common was tougher, but he hasn't lived here since he included "Sense" in his MC name.

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Chuck you wiggled your way out of that one, but still no excuse for no mention of Jennifer Hudson.

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I don't think you guys should count Common anymore, either.

I just don't even get why they decided to take us on? Slow news day?

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Frankly, I'm wishing I thought of it first.

Nothing but love, LAist!

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LA is one big suburban sprawl. It has some good points, weather among them, but overall I don't like it all that much.

No mention of the earthquakes, wildfires and mudslides? That sort of cancels out the 70 degree January days...

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i have a feeling they came after us because we are their rival for the olympics. probably also because they are too hungry and inhaling too much smog.

Life is too short to shovel snow.
I'm just sayin..

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Now that's what I call a proper b-slapping.

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"Nobody Walks in Chicago either" – sounds like a very false statement from some waiter who is a wanna-be reality TV show writer…. and who is now doing pieces for the LAist until his screenplay for “Hanukkill”, the first Jewish holiday-oriented mad-slasher film is picked-up by Lion’s Gate.

Gee, what do we have that they don't (???):
1) A viable Downtown that people actually use.
2) A real theater scene that people attend.
3) Some amazing arts organizations and museums that people actually patronize.
4) Nice, no bullshit folks: we may be fat, but at least most of us have our original, non-augmented body parts (just wait until the global warming climate changes click-in more and all of your fake tits start to freeze solid).
5) For ALL of its faults, a public transportation system that people actually use.
6) Some pretty top-notch architecture that the people here actually cherish.
7) A chance at the 2016 Olympics.
8) A local music scene that is pretty fucking hip (Bloodshot, anyone?)
9) Bars that people go to have fun, as opposed to ‘being seen’.
10) The fact that Kevin Federline doesn’t live here, and that Jennifer Anniston seems to be commin’ back their way too, at no extra charge.

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"Nobody Walks in Chicago either" – sounds like a very false statement from some waiter who is a wanna-be reality TV show writer…. and who is now doing pieces for the LAist until his screenplay for “Hanukkill”, the first Jewish holiday-oriented mad-slasher film is picked-up by Lion’s Gate.

Gee, what do we have that they don't (???):
1) A viable Downtown that people actually use.
2) A real theater scene that people attend.
3) Some amazing arts organizations and museums that people actually patronize.
4) Nice, no bullshit folks: we may be fat, but at least most of us have our original, non-augmented body parts (just wait until the global warming climate changes click-in more and all of your fake tits start to freeze solid).
5) For ALL of its faults, a public transportation system that people actually use.
6) Some pretty top-notch architecture that the people here actually cherish.
7) A chance at the 2016 Olympics.
8) A local music scene that is pretty fucking hip (Bloodshot, anyone?)
9) Bars that people go to have fun, as opposed to ‘being seen’.
10) The fact that Kevin Federline doesn’t live here, and that Jennifer Anniston seems to be commin’ back their way too, at no extra charge.

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"Nobody Walks in Chicago either" – sounds like a very false statement from some waiter who is a wanna-be reality TV show writer…. and who is now doing pieces for the LAist until his screenplay for “Hanukkill”, the first Jewish holiday-oriented mad-slasher film is picked-up by Lion’s Gate.

Gee, what do we have that they don't (???):
1) A viable Downtown that people actually use.
2) A real theater scene that people attend.
3) Some amazing arts organizations and museums that people actually patronize.
4) Nice, no bullshit folks: we may be fat, but at least most of us have our original, non-augmented body parts (just wait until the global warming climate changes click-in more and all of your fake tits start to freeze solid).
5) For ALL of its faults, a public transportation system that people actually use.
6) Some pretty top-notch architecture that the people here actually cherish.
7) A chance at the 2016 Olympics.
8) A local music scene that is pretty fucking hip (Bloodshot, anyone?)
9) Bars that people go to have fun, as opposed to ‘being seen’.
10) The fact that Kevin Federline doesn’t live here, and that Jennifer Anniston seems to be commin’ back their way too, at no extra charge.

bwanakar -
it appears that mentality also applies to garbage. I've never seen such a dirty city. It makes New York look spic'n'span.

Does LA have street sweeping and garbage collection more than once a year?

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Bands: Rise Against, Lawrence Arms, Polkaholics...

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To be fair, LA does have Carls Jr's, which trump any other fast food in the universe.

And they win the music thing too...LA gave us Guns N' Roses, Chicago gave us Wilco, Billy Corgan, and a bunch of noisy indie-rock that makes me actually yearn for the days when guitarists wore tight pants, just so I could hear some rock that actually, you know, rocks.

So LA wins on fast food, weather, music, and the smoking ban (seriously Illinois, what's your problem? Get on it already). At everything else, it's pretty much a pain in the ass...driving is like trying to get around Chicago except without the option of public transit.

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"Nobody walks in Chicago either" – sounds like a very false statement from some waiter who is a wanna-be reality TV show writer…. and who is now doing pieces for the LAist until his screenplay for “Hanukkill”, the first Jewish holiday-oriented mad-slasher film is picked-up by Lion’s Gate.

Gee, what do we have that they don't (???):
1) A viable Downtown that people actually use.
2) A real theater scene that people attend.
3) Some amazing arts organizations and museums that people actually patronize.
4) Nice, no bullshit folks: we may be fat, but at least most of us have our original, non-augmented body parts (just wait until the global warming climate changes click-in more and all of your fake tits start to freeze solid).
5) For ALL of its faults, a public transportation system that people actually use.
6) Some pretty top-notch architecture that the people here actually cherish.
7) A chance at the 2016 Olympics.
8) A local music scene that is pretty fucking hip (Bloodshot, anyone?)
9) Bars that people go to have fun, as opposed to ‘being seen’.
10) The fact that Kevin Federline doesn’t live here, and that Jennifer Anniston seems to be commin’ back their way too, at no extra charge.

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To be fair, LA does have Carls Jr's, which trump any other fast food in the universe.

And they win the music thing too...LA gave us Guns N' Roses, Chicago gave us Wilco, Billy Corgan, and a bunch of noisy indie-rock that makes me actually yearn for the days when guitarists wore tight pants, just so I could hear some rock that actually, you know, rocks.

So LA wins on fast food, weather, music, and the smoking ban (seriously Illinois, what's your problem? Get on it already). At everything else, it's pretty much a pain in the ass...driving is like trying to get around Chicago except without the option of public transit.

8) A local music scene that is pretty fucking hip (Bloodshot, anyone?)

And let's not forget about Touch & Go, Drag City, Thrilljockey etc.

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I am a Chicagoan who lived in LA for 4 long years. To the comment about life being to short to shovel snow, I say life is to short to SIT IN YOUR CAR for 3 hours a day.

Also, believe it or not Jerry, LA has street sweeping every WEEK on residential streets. You know what that means... $65 parking tickets about once or twice a month. And the place is still a f#@king trash heap. I'm pretty sure they do it just for the ticket revenue.

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Excuse me, but are we now caring what people in LA think of Chicago? I guess I missed that meeting.

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Steve, are you high? We have Carl's Jr. in Illinois... it's just called "Hardee's" out here.

I lived in LA for a couple of summers before I officially relocated to Chicago. And I dare you to attempt to have a job in LA and not own a car. I am coming up on a year of being car-free in Chicago, and I currently work 3 part-time jobs without much of a problem getting around, despite the occasional late or overcrowded #66 Chicago bus. LA may have lots of sunshine and avacados to die for, but it's still a nice place to vist - wouldn't wanna live there.


LA has the Price is Right and Fish Tacos. Everything else they stole or copied.

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Give San Diego credit for the fish tacos, 5upe... and Price is Right is jumping the shark the minute Barker retires this year.

He does always sink that damn putt, though.

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People people people! What's with all the bickering? If anything, the Second City and LA should be allies against those pricks in New York, who are so elitist that they don't even have their city name in their "ist.com" name.

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Squeezing in Superboy Prime AND Jim Kelly into one bitch slap? Sick.

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While there may be no accounting for taste, especially in music, I've never known anyone who didn't say Siamese Dream was the Pumpkins best album by a long shot. To compare it to Adore seems outright slanderous to me personally. How can you go from

Bleed in your own light/
Dream of your own life/
I miss me/
I miss everything I'll never be/

to

It's you that I adore/
Youll always be my whore/
Youll be the mother to my child/
And a child to my heart/
We must never be apart/

set to "electronic beats" and think it's an improvement? Really? Ask any SP fan, Siamese Dream was the definite high point of that band, I mean, that album is solid.

Actually looking through the track list of Adore, it's not bad, but I can't imagine it inspires the passion of that early 90's Siamese Dream, memories!

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Los Angeles is picking a fight with Chicago over which city is better? What the shit is going on here? Talk about apples and oranges. I've lived in LA. LA is not a city - it is a parking lot with the occasional palm tree. It has no real center, it has no culture, and is populated by transplants with broken dreams. It is the least environmentally sustainable city I've ever lived in. There is no such thing as urban planning. I'm not saying Chicago is number one or anything, but LA has a LONG way to go in order to be in the same league.

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Definitely agree on "Adore"....very underrated. Well written rebuttal.

I lived in Chicago for eight years. Chicago proper, too - no car, tiny apartment. Loved the city. Hated the weather with a passion, though.

I've now been living in Los Angeles for a year and I'm serious, every freaking day I walk out of my apartment and bask in the sunlight. I see the ocean on my way to work.

You couldn't pay me to move back.

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Didnt LA just win some # 1 transit system in the nation award? (believe it or not).

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looking at the responses to the harmless and not really all that insulting LAist post reminds me of how chicago will always be the "hey me too, don't forget about me" major city of the united states. you guys need to stop worrying so much what other parts of the US thinks about you. we get it.

chicago is nice in many ways. now how about all of you start trying to enjoy it and stop checking yourself out in the mirror.

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God. I never realized how provincial Chicago is what with the overwhelming responses in this trivial Chicagoist post.

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I agree with dtr. The LAist column wasn't very insulting. It wasn't meant to be. The Chicagoist response, in comparison, was whiny and defensive. Got an image problem, Chicago?

Look, both cities have their pluses, both cities have their minuses. Unfortunately, as an LA resident, whenever I hear about people from other cities complain about my home town, it's always the same stock complaints: "It's one big sprawl!" "There's no city center!" Well, WAHHH. Let's look:

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Gee, what do we have that they don't (???):
1) A viable Downtown that people actually use.

This is true. LA's downtown is pretty dead. Music Center, Staples Center and Disney Hall notwithstanding. People go there to see a concert and then mostly leave.

2) A real theater scene that people attend.

LA has a great theater scene. What do you think those thousands of actors out here are doing in between commercials?

3) Some amazing arts organizations and museums that people actually patronize.

At this point it's clear that this writer has not spent much time in LA. Every time I've been to the Getty Center it's been pretty mobbed. It's just too bad that the Art Institute of Chicago got at all the good art first.

4) Nice, no bullshit folks: we may be fat, but at least most of us have our original, non-augmented body parts (just wait until the global warming climate changes click-in more and all of your fake tits start to freeze solid).

Ho, ho. Guess what - not everybody in LA is a blonde bimbo supermodel. This is such a shallow and superficial condemnation. If you really were so "no bullshit," you Chicago Cheerleader, you would be able to see how tired and unrealistic your comment is.

5) For ALL of its faults, a public transportation system that people actually use.

Well, you've got LA there. We do have a well-used public transportation system, but it's only really used by working class Latinos and blacks (see above).

6) Some pretty top-notch architecture that the people here actually cherish.

Sure. The Wrigley Building is great. But the Sears Tower? It's ugly, man. As for modern Chicago architecture, it's beginning to look a lot like LA - your fine city is even importing our architects.

7) A chance at the 2016 Olympics.

Well, we've already had the 1930 and 1984 Olympics here, so it's fine if your city finally gets a crack at it, since it's failed every time before. Hell, Chicago's the only city to have had the Olympics taken AWAY from it, back in 1904. Way to go!

8) A local music scene that is pretty fucking hip (Bloodshot, anyone?)

Who's Bloodshot? Meanwhile, LA cranks out tons of performers and bands that people have actually heard of. There's no argument - this is where the music industry lives, so this is where the bands live. You may have your local favorites, but really. Come on. Quit with the provincial attitude and accept the reality.

9) Bars that people go to have fun, as opposed to ‘being seen’.

Now THAT is bullshit. Chicago has just as many stupid trendy bars as LA. I know because I've seen them. And LA has as many "real" bars as Chicago. I know because I've seen them too.

10) The fact that Kevin Federline doesn’t live here, and that Jennifer Anniston seems to be commin’ back their way too, at no extra charge.

Ho, ho. A Kevin Federline reference. Why don't you drop Paris Hilton's name, while you're at it?

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I live in Los Angeles and all I ever think about is Chicago.

Chi-town: Volta Do Mar and Piglet.
LA: Cold War Kids and Silversun Pickups.

Our asses are kicked.
You all should go to Beat Kitchen more often

8) A local music scene that is pretty fucking hip (Bloodshot, anyone?)

Who's Bloodshot? Meanwhile, LA cranks out tons of performers and bands that people have actually heard of. There's no argument - this is where the music industry lives, so this is where the bands live. You may have your local favorites, but really. Come on. Quit with the provincial attitude and accept the reality.

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Actually, they tend to be bands that move from cities like Chicago to LA in order to get discovered.

p.s. if you haven't noticed, the music industry (the one that lives in LA) puts out a lot of crappy acts and is well on its way to imploding. So pardon our "provincial" attitude, it just seems to work for us in the long run.

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