Till the Cops Come Knockin'

2007_07_Kops.jpgHaving attended the Printers Ball in the past, we knew that the free-to-all-comers event would attract more than its fair share of people. We also hoped that having Bridgeport's Zhou B Center host this year's model would allow for more accommodation of guests. We had intended to show up as the Zhou B Center is practically in our backyard, but decided to first pay our respects to the recently departed.

Unfortunately, as we were making plans to say our goodbyes and head out, people started streaming in telling us that the Printers Ball had been shut down by the cops. This morning, a recap of the raid made it to our inbox from poet CJ Laity, founder of Chicagopoetry.com and the annual Chicago Poetry Festival. Under the New York Post-worthy headline, "Printers Ball Gets Busted," Laity wrote:

There was a DJ spinning music in one room and a performance art exhibit in another. On the second floor a glee club sang songs. The walls of the third floor were filled with art. There were hundreds of people there, all celebrating literature and literacy peacefully. The Lumpen guys could be seen side by side with the Chicago Review guys. Issues of Columbia Poetry Review sat next to issues of In These Times ... (a)nd then like gangbusters a swarm of bulletproof vest wearing police with badges on ropes around their necks like characters pulled straight out of an episode of The Wire stormed into this private art gallery. Without so much as a search warrant or even an explanation, five of them surrounded the DJ and demanded that he turn off Mark Morrison's "Return of the Mack." Issuing uncompromising threats, they forced the DJ to announce over the microphone that without so much as a discussion EVERYONE MUST LEAVE THE PREMISES. Like a scene out of Robocop, police in black bulletproof jumpsuits with CHICAGO POLICE in big white letters across their bodies stood at all the exits and filed the hundreds of literature celebrating citizens out into the night.

It might have been a "poetry paradise", as Laity described it in his story. But the real reason given for the raid, as told to us by editors from MAKE and Another Chicago Magazine who were also at the Ball, was that there were "multiple liquor license violations." From what we were told - and again, all of this is conjecture - there was booze being served on all three floors, when only the main level was licensed for liquor. There were also rumblings of underage drinking at the Ball. The combination is probably what led to the cops shutting it down. Everyone we talked to expressed surprise that the cops came so quickly, as though someone had tipped them to the happenings. When the cops are called to clear the place, they aren't asked to do so nicely. Only to do their job.

Given the other information that Laity failed to report, it is asked that his words be given careful consideration as a matter of opinion. The privately-owned Zhou B Center is open to the public, and the Printers Ball was advertised as a free, all-ages event for weeks leading up to last night (a caveat certain to have interested city officials). Over the years, Laity has used his website not only an engine to promote the happenings in Chicago's thriving poetry community, but as an occasional bully pulpit to spread gossip, wage personal vendettas against people he feels have crossed him, or wage the little territorial battles that soured us on the poetry scene years ago. Bottom line, if there is a grain of truth to any of the reasons the cops came knocking, then they were right to do their job, and the bad apples in this instance were not the cops.

7/22/2K7 UPDATE: First, we want to clarify a few things. It was not our intent to write maliciously of anyone, although looking back at what we wrote of Mr. Laity (aka "chicagopoetry") we can certainly see why he would take umbrage. For that, we offer our apologies to Mr. Laity. What was our intent was to report more than one side to the story, from people at publications that invested serious equity and manpower to planning Printers Ball-themed events leading up to the Ball and its eventual raid by the police. We also wanted to clarify that this was an all-ages, free event shut down for cause, not simply a case of cops raiding "a private art gallery."

The comments to this post have been closed. The increasing vitriol of the comments has left a bitter taste in our mouths and those of the repeat commentators, primary among them Mr. Laity. The opinions expressed by Mr. Laity and the various anonymous commentators serve no one in a positive light and are a violation of the second rule regarding the Gothamist LLC comments policy:

Good comments can disagree with the content in the post, but they never insult the writer of the post, other commenters, Gothamist, other websites, etc.

There once was a time when we would have returned fire to Mr. Laity and others in the comments with equal or greater viciousness. As an editor for the site, we have an obligation to the staff and readers to explain ourselves in a manner befitting reasonable dialogue. The editors and staff of Chicagoist value and respect our readership, and want to keep you coming back as well as bring new readers to the site.

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"five of them surrounded the DJ and demanded that he turn off Mark Morrison's 'Return of the Mack.'"

I so hope the cop used those exact words.

I was there, and can verify the serving of liquor on all three levels, although only the lower level sales were operated by the center itself. Laity paints a nice picture, but in all it was a typical writers' gathering: half-remodeled building, interesting performances, hard-drinking introverts and no one really appearing to be in charge of the whole thing whatsoever.

"...I so hope the cop used those exact words."

Exactly! If only the cop really said 'On behalf of the City of Chicago, I command you to turn off 'Return of the Mack.'

Anyway, this event sounds like it had great atmosphere. However, a party like this can appear benign when actually there are dangers lurking. A rapid evacuation of a multilevel party space, especially when some people are under the influence, can lead to people getting injured and even dying. Fire code violations and building-use violations are no joke.

What's more, serving underaged patrons alcohol can lead to drunken driving, known to be particularly dangerous for teens, and to all the other problems that come from alcohol-filled youths.

The cops were doing their jobs. Sorry to sound like a party pooper...in fact, I wanna go to next year's party!

For what it's worth, it was one of the best parties I've been to in a long time while it lasted. We got there early enough for the open bar & to scoop up bagsful of magazines and lit; left to get some food as the party really got started; came back to find the cops inside kicking people out, bullying one of the organizers, and giving the DJ a ticket for playing music without a license. (WTF??)

E2 style overcrowding notwithstanding, the city rules regarding events like this seem capricious and arbitrarily enforced. My sense was that the cops have been gunning for Zhou because it's becoming the heart of the Bridgeport scene; if you want to kill something, it's very efficient to cut the heart out of it.

Very interesting that this bust happened the same week that there were hearing about introducing even MORE stringent rules around the PPA license; my understanding is that party promoters as well as building owners are now going to be held responsible. Good bye, arts scene. What promoter has the money to take out a million dollar insurance policy for an event where they're charging nothing or a couple of bucks at the door? And why should they even have to, considering that the building owner is already required to have insurance?

Anyway, the organizers of this event should be proud of themselves; it was lovely while it lasted and everyone there seemed to be having a GREAT time. See you next year!

Do you, or does anyone, have any info in relation to Laity's claim that the reason everyone was cleared out was never given? It's possible there may have been a violation of some sort, but doesn't it make sense in the kind of society we like to think we live in to tell people what's what in a respectful manner. The capability to make announcements was clearly present.

I'm not saying I know the answer, just asking

I think the biggest issue was the way the police handled their job. When asked why we were being pushed out (and yes quite a few people were pushed) the police held themselves like a bunch of alleyway thugs. Shine your flashlight in their eyes, puff out your chest, and by no means communicate with words.


No one enjoys being treated like a criminal when they are in fact, not a criminal.

In answer to the poster's question above, no, there was definitely no reason given for why the part was shut down. In fact, we even went so far as to ask one of the cops who was standing in the gallery why we were being asked to leave and she said she didn't know but thought it might have to do with some kind of ordinance violation. The DJ even announced that the cops had not given him any explanation, either, but that he had to ask us to vacate the building immediately. For what it's worth, I did not see any pushing or hostility as people were leaving, just a lot of peaceful publishing geeks with complicated haircuts, skinny jeans, and quizical looks on their horn-rimmed glasses framed-faces.

If I was to guess, I imagine the party was shut down because of the stairs: the only way to get from floor to floor was through narrow staircases clearly not designed to accomodate the traffic the event brought. You could only ascend or descend single file. As soon as I saw the stairs, my first thought, and I'm not an alarmist, was "this is so dangerous."

Anyway, it was a super fun part while it lasted. I was sad to have to leave.

Who cares? It's a POETRY event! (I was there by the way)

Let's look at the evidence:

I want everyone to know the Printers Ball kinda sucked. There was really not enough diversity in local talent to suit me and yes, there was (as usual) the typical Northside type of overpricing for everything going on.

I mingled with out-of touch bookish mildew-shouldered foul-smelling types who rarely see the sunlight and upper-class wine-inhaling snooty types WHO I SAW giving their bored underage teens alcohol in public at a party, and then someone yells rat as the cops crawled in on their knuckles, who were only doing their job and ensuring the public safety.

Hmm, guess who was in the wrong?

Well, Poetry Magazine should be ashamed of themselves for letting the party go spinning off as it did.

CJ Laity should also be ashamed too for not mentioning that, as he himself does sometimes go off on tangents with blinders on (I know him personally, so please, don't tell me what I do or dont know). But, this website should also be ashamed as well for letting their emotions get in the way by describing CJ as some sort of vengeful person with an almost hateful agenda.

Sounds like Chicagoist, like the jealous girls they are, were stood up on a date with him some years ago and has an axe to grind by saying he is screaming from a "bully pulpit to spread gossip." CJ is rarely right on some issues, granted, but that doesn't mean that slandering someone is appropriate.

I doubt this comment will be left on this website longer than 8 minutes, but for those 7 1/2 minutes, I feel that someone in Chicago will have read this comment and gotten the TRUTH about what really went down there.

Once I get beyond the fact that Chuck Sudo (or is it Pseudo) has taken it upon himself to republish a large chunk of my article without informing me or bothering to ask my permission, I have to wonder about the speed in which this rebuttal to my editorial has been constructed; could this be a little vendetta Chuck has against me? Given the fact that an off-duty police officer carded me at the door and asked me if I was going to be drinking, and then marked my hand so that I may drink, I find the suggestion that the serving of alcohol was behind this absurd abuse of power to be ridiculous. In fact, most people I have talked to believe the raid had more to do with the proposed "promoter license" laws that are being debated in Chicago, which would require you to pay $2000 and purchase insurance to hold an event like this in the future. Do we need to be reminded about how the cops raided Hot House for alleged violations conveniently when a band from Cuba was playing? So F you Chuck!!!

Quite frankly, I find this accusation that "Over the years, Laity has used his website . . . as an occasional bully pulpit to spread gossip, wage personal vendettas against people he feels have crossed him, or wage the little territorial battles that soured us on the poetry scene years ago." to be preposterous. Yes indeed in the early years of ChicagoPoetry.com we fought a few good fights and won them. At least when I posted gossip I called it gossip and signed my name to it and I didn't steal chunks of someone else's work and republish it without permission. And as far as "personal vendettas" they went something like this: some bipolar a-hole would challenge me to a fight, I'd fight back and win, and then the a-hole would go around town crying what a bully I am. Oh boo hoo! This is Chicago, gets some balls, Chuck Pseudo.

Also, you accuse ChicagoPoetry.com of "waging" territorial battles? What a bunch of bullsh*t that is; as if these battles wouldn't have been raged if I didn't report about them. Give us all a break and end this stupid ass grudge you have against ChicagoPoetry.com, before I poetically slap your ass you little bitch.

--CJ Laity

"....before I poetically slap your ass you little bitch."

Holy smokes. Andy Dick is posting on Chicagoist!

What I meant to say was sorry ass cry baby f'ing bitch. Sorry.

MEOW!

Catfight!

Girls, girls...

I can't tell what this article is about, Chicagoist. Is it about Chicagopoetry.com or the Printer's Ball. Or the fomer's view of the latter? Choose one.

I meant to let you know, Mr. Sudo, that I loved your articles in TimeOut this week. I thought they were great--well written, thoughtful, funny-- I just wish that you'd treat your writing for Chicagoist with the same respect. As it stands, you just come off as if you're using this website to pick fights.

Committee On License And Consumer Protection meets to discuss a law
that will require all promoters in Chicago to have:
A) A Promoter License ($2,000 every 2 years)
B) Proof of General Liability Insurance $1,000,000.00 per occurance
for bodily injury and property damage

4-157-020
"No person shall engage in the business of event promoter without
first having obtained an event promoter license under this chapter"

An Event Promoter (4-157) License costs $2,000.00 every TWO years

*As a promoter, it is unlawful to hire/subcontract anyone to promote
for the event who does not also have an Event Promoter license.*

The Event Promoter License application requires promoters to submit
to:
-- a full background check
-- fingerprints

If the event includes liquor and the venue has more than a maximum
capacity of 100 persons, promoters are REQUIRED to notify the POLICE
Commander of the District IN WRITING of an event at least 7 days
prior to the event. Violations result in a fine between $500 and
$1,000, a 6-month suspension of the license, and if you promote an
event during this 6-moth suspension you are subject to a fine between
$1,000 and 10,000

4-60-070
Liquor License is required, as issued by the local Liquor Control
Commissioner

Liquor cannot be sold or given away after 2am Mon - Sat and 3am on
Sun--unless you apply for a late-hour licens and pay the additional
fee

Promoters will be required to
-- Create, sign and file an "Event Promoter's Contract" for each event
-- Maintain a file for 3 years with "complete and accurate records of
all business activities"
-- Designate an "On-Site Representative" over 21 with no convictions
within the last 5 years
This rep must:
- Submit to a background check and fingerprinting
- Be present on site at all times during the event
- Accept all notices of violations or closure orders
- Carry on his/her person at all times during the event:
-- Photo ID
-- Cell phone with the number included in the license application
-- Upon request by an authorized city official, the rep must
produce said photo ID and cell phone for inspection by the official

4-157-080
This license number MUST be printed legibly "in all advertisements of
the licensee's services, and in all advertisements of amusements or
events being promoted or presented by the licensee. In addition to
any penalties provided by law, any person who violates this section
shall be fined not less than $200 or more than $500 for EACH offense.
Each DAY that a violation continues shall constitute a SEPARATE and
distinct offense to which a SEPARATE FINE shall apply"

There were at least two sets of stairs, not one, as described above in post 7.

Also, I saw no liquor sales on the third floor, but only on the second floor. Also, the second floor was the only floor that was crowded, but it wasn't filled to capacity. Though the stairs were tight, nobody was in danger and I went up or down the stairs several times while others were going in the opposite direction. This entire article is complete BS, especially considering the author admists he WASN'T EVEN THERE!!! Who knows, maybe Chuck called the fuzz.

Nicely done, Chuck. Tagged CJ perfectly. Cops are cops, the law is the law, Poetry Magazine ought to know better.

If you call making an idiot out of yourself by talking about an event you weren't even at, and slandering someone with false innuendo about imaged personal grudges, tagging someone, well then I guess I've been tagged. In any case, my article at my site has over 1200 hits on it so far today, and this one has about forty or fifty hits I would imagine based on the data of my http referer which records data about people who have clicked that link up there to my site in it. So, WHATEVER, promote your police state all you want, haters.

Oh, by the way, since you don't have any respect for my copyrighted material and think that you can take chunks of it and republish it at will, I figure all is fair, huh? I like your little Keystone Kops image so I'm stealing it and including it on my page. Touche.

It was a good time while it lasted and I was disappointed to see it break up so early. There was a lot of confusion as people started being ushered toward the exits, but I found the impromptu evacuation stress-free--I even stopped to pick up stacks of magazines on my way out. I hope the event goes the distance next time.

uh, hey chicagopoetry... aren't your outbursts now just proving what chuck wrote here? take a chill and let it go; it's really not worth getting worked up over; that's the beauty of opinions: everyone's got one, and they're entitled to them.

Yes, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, but it seems like you're saying I shouldn't have mine. I'll decide for myself when I will "let go" thank you very much, and if you expect me to respect your opinion, sign your name to it. My "outbursts" as you call them don't prove anything except that I respond in kind when I am unfairly attacked. I don't know Chuck, and unless he's posting under a pseudonym, he doesn't know me, so where the hell does he get off claiming to what I "feel" ("he feels have crossed him") or what my personal motivations are. In any scene there will be struggles for "territory" and when this happens it's a two way street, bud; I wish to god I didn't have to struggle so hard to claim my territory, but unfortunately I have constantly been the victim of slanderous attacks such as Chuck's, and just because I do not hesitate to defend myself from such nonsense does not make me a "bully."

Since Chicagoist doesn't own the Keystone Kops image either, I'm sure it's not really bothering anyone that Chicagopoetry is using it.

This is sloppy journalism, Chicagoist. Stop being so casual with the accuracy of your facts and your re-printing of other people's material.

Good, 'cause I like it, it's a perfect representation of what the Chicago Police looked like bullying a bunch of innocent people at the gallery. I'm going to go watch Rocky (the Hindi version, not the Sylvester Stallone movie), so until manana, go read fark or something.

last time i checked, it wasn't illegal to quote someone's work. book, research paper, blog, etc. it seems that chuck properly credited you for what he printed. it's not plagarism.

while i don't necessarily agree with the speculation about CJ's character as part of 'the facts,' i have to say that, unfortunately, CJ, you sort of proved exactly what he said.

I was at the ball and the cops were very calm. They let people take merchandise as they left, finish therir drinks and linger outside.

They were just doing their jobs and some were reluctant to do so. As I left very slowly, I was able to talk cops, the bartenders and the bouncers and all had a vague idea of what was going on. If some people didn't get an explanation, perhaps they didn't ask politely, or prefer making assumptions and online rants based on guesswork.

First, the Zhou Cafe decided to make that night the start of the official grand opening weekend and put out flyers to that effect. Which may have brought additional scrutiny.

Second, the cops were acting on orders to shut down the party, but they weren't sure if it was a complaint from another business or an order from the department of revenue. They did were sure it had something to do with the bar or building not having all the paperwork for events.

They did note the liquor license was for the establishment only, except that was the only place selling liquor and it might be legal for people to walk around inside with drinks after buying them.

Third, the event had a security staff which was checking IDs - there was no underage kids buying drinks, but folks may have been giving them drinks. No one said this was an issue.

Fourth, the cafe workers were completely perplexed and a bit mad that this happened. I got the impression the owners or organizers weren't entirely careful and put them on the spot.

Fifth, the Zhou Brothers have been hosting events in their building for almost three years, some listed in official city guids (like Chicago Artists month). If they really lacked all the permits some of the cops said they did on Friday, why look the other way then bust them in the middle of an event?

The city KNEW about this event for weeks in advance. So why not ask them to shut it down when it was first announced? Why wait until the night of? You can see why some might think it has to do with the oppoisition to tighter regs at hearings a few days before.

The Zhou Brothers, Poetry Magazine and Chicago's literary scene in general are usually treated as valuable assets, being part of the cultural engine which keeps Chicago viable as it loses it's industrial base. Plus when it comes to illegal partying, they're about the most well meaning crowd ever. The event was calm and far from packed. There were ample exits, security and so on.

ON THE OTHER HAND: Perhaps it's a good thing this group got a taste of the draconian measures being taken against party promoters and events run by people who are less white and middle class.

There were several real reporters at that event and I know at least one is considering a story and perhaps tying it in to the new regulations.

Every time the city cracks down on the fring art scene and semi-legal events, its damaging the same creative engine which keeps Chicago relevant and attractive to youth who are either big earners or will become big earners.

If the city refuses to make it easy and cheap to throw events, lame busts like this one are going to increase without making anything actually safer or fair.

Wow...I think there's an acronym to describe Mr. Laity...WATB - Whiny Ass Titty Baby.

Could you throw a bigger fit and make yourself look like a bigger douche there, chief?

Also: I heard a rumor a gallery upstairs started charging for the liquor for their opening, but I haven't been able to confirm it, as everyone I know was just getting free liquor from the opening.

I do know the Cafe staff thought they were the only folks selling liquor. Considering all the security (including former cops) they had, I doubt the owners would be that stupid and if there was other liquor being sold, it was without permission. If that's what triggered the bust, then it means the police came in on a fishing expidition first.

It seems like a stretch to me.

Blah blah blah what else can we expect from you right wing Bush hangers on? Whatever!!! Illegal? How about just ethical? When you take a huge chunk of someone's article minutes after they've published it, how about the COMMON COURTESTY of simply imforming them? This bullshit Chicagoist is so amateur it is un-freakin-believable. What's even more unbelievable is the amount of hogwash being put into trying to defend the gestapo tactics of these cops who, instead of waiting an hour or two until the event was over to close the gallery down, had to show their big fat hard on by kicking everyone out in the middle of a cultural event. OOooooh, so big and powerful, I'm soooo impressed. I was there. The police were not polite. They abruptly interrupted a peaceful legal gathering and gave everyone a choice, either get the hell out or be arrested.

Once again, all you cowardly little bitches who can't even post under your own damn names, who think you're cool for insulting me under the name "guest," f you and the sissy chicken shit you rode in on, chief.

And let me just say one more thing before I crash for the night. You stupid idiotic wannabees who think I care what people think or if what I say "proves" anything that some c*cks*cker has to say about me, you don't know me at all. I'm a poet, not a politician. I don't need to save face or sell out or prove myself, I've been me in Chicago for 20 years and not one of you little cowardly a-holes have ever been able to take me down, so instead of trolling around posting your shit like anyone gives a crap why don't you engage in some actual conversation? I will not be John Kerry and sell out at the last minute. I know, you want keith olbermann to shut up and you want me to shut up too, but guess what, it ain't gonna happen, it hasn't happened in 20 years and it sure as hell ain't gonna happen now, so freakin' slander me all you want, but I've got over 5,000 freakin' hits on my page while you stinkin' lying slut of bastard prick has about a hundred hits on your page: sucker!!!

I kind of soured on chicagoist and several other blogs exactly because these pathetic bouts of vitriol and outrage always seemed to appear in the comments, which really caused me to wonder if user-generated content was such a great thing after all. This is the first thing I have read on Chicagoist in months, and I have to say, all these comments are really juvenile and make me embarrassed just reading them. I guess its back to reading the newspaper.

ChicagoPoetry-

I was on your side until I read this "but I've got over 5,000 freakin' hits on my page while you stinkin' lying slut of bastard prick has about a hundred hits on your page: sucker!!!"

Is your social standing determined by how many "hits" you have on your website?I have 10,000 hits on my myspace page,does that make me cool?

You're a fucking dork!

I could care less if you're on my side or not. I'm not looking for anyone to be on my side. I'm looking to be a poet in Chicago without stinkin' lying slut bastards like this slandering me all the time with their one sided versions of the hell the bipolar nitwits in Chicago have put me through. Yes, I determine the success of my website by my hit count. Duh. In the last two years alone ChicagoPoetry.com has received over one million page view hits. In the last 24 hours alone, it has received over 7,000 hits on the page about the the police raid. I may make myself look stupid by enganging in these types of things, but at least I have the courage to let you know who I am and I'm not insulting you or anyone else here anonymously. So who is the fucking dork?

"So who is the fucking dork?"

You are. Poetry is for pussies and you stand as a shining example of that.

Chicagoist made a big mistake in taking a swipe, because this is the sort of thing CJ lives for and he will milk it for every bit of drama. Not that he doesn't deserve some public criticism but most people avoid it because the response is so unpleasant.

CJ's been a longtime supporter of the poetry scene, but he's also had a rage problem since he worked on a zine pre-internet. He's alienated many people which, of course, is everyone's fault but his own.

His positive contribution is undermined by his power tripping and compulsion for using engaging in arguments, feuds, vendettas and things which give him a rep as a bully in print.

His targets are those who dare to disagree with him, or won't attend his shows, or sometimes just stirring things up for the drama.

His methods include spreading fabricated rumors and dubious speculation which fall in the legal grey area around gossip. When he went online, he became the Matt Drudge of Chicago Poetry.

CJ has gone as as far as implying scenes he's had vendettas against were connected child porn and murder. He's sent mass emails telling people to stop publishing certain poets or report them to the police. He's sent out emails under false names in an attempt to provoke people into arguing with him.

CJ's aggression on this issue means most people, simply ignore or avoid engaging his dark side and hope he stays positive. But just because the poetry scene tolerates his problems doesn't mean they like it. So if CJ feels slighted or treated badly, he has no one to blame but himself.

I would have to write a book here to tell you about all the BS I've been put through just so I can have a poetry website and host a few poetry shows in Chicago. A few years back my poet of the month turned out to be a fugitive on the ten most wanted list and I got bombarded by cowardly anonymous hate mail from BOTH sides of the issue. When I first launched ChicagoPoetry.com eight years ago the other poetry web guy in town sent out a mass mailing arguing that I don't belong on the internet. Then some jack off set up a kiddy porn site on his poetry page that I was linking to and when I exposed him everyone claimed it was a "pesonal vendetta". Huh? It was fucking kiddy porn!!!!! Let's see, what came next, oh yeah, Lisa Juntunen got strangled to death and thrown into Lake Michigan and when I had the guts to ask questions about her suspicious acting boyfriend once again I was accused of having a personal vendetta. I never even met the guy; how could I have a vendetta against him? Chuck talks about people "crossing" me when what he really means is people stabbing me in the back. I reached out to some loser named Todd and featured him in the Printers Row Book Fair and gave his book a fabulous review and he returned the good vibes by spamming me at Christmas time with psychotic rants calling me every name in the book. Then I get these New Prarie poets who I've barely even met and who I've never done anything to talking shit about me and calling my website a "slam" site. I could go on and on and on and on, but suffice it to say that summing up all this bullshit that I've been through with

"Over the years, Laity has used his website not only an engine to promote the happenings in Chicago's thriving poetry community, but as an occasional bully pulpit to spread gossip, wage personal vendettas against people he feels have crossed him, or wage the little territorial battles that soured us on the poetry scene years ago."

is narrow-mind, uneducated and completely unprofessional. I guess that's why I'm pissed off here and I'm ranting.

That's your opinion, Chuck, it's not a fact. There was no one-sided battles during which in I was a bully; that's a complete and utter cop out.

chicagopoetry said:

I find this accusation that "Over the years, Laity has used his website . . . as an occasional bully pulpit to spread gossip, wage personal vendettas against people he feels have crossed him, or wage the little territorial battles that soured us on the poetry scene years ago." to be preposterous.
...and then proceeds to call Sudo, Chicagoist readers/responders, and even some of his own party attendees "sorry ass cry baby f'ing bitch[es]" who are "cowardly" "stupid idiotic wannabees", "stinkin' lying slut bastards" and "fucking dork[s]".

I have no opinion of the event, Sudo, or CJ Laity, but whatever argument chicagopoetry is trying to make gets lost in all the name-calling and yes, bullying that s/he claims is a "preposterous" accusation for Sudo/Chicagoist to make about how s/he acts on Chicagopoetry.com and now Chicagoist as well.

I am (and I'm sure many other Chicagoist readers are) more than happy to give Laity the benefit of the doubt and consider that there may be another side to the story that Sudo isn't reporting on, but man, it's really f'ing difficult to do when inundated with such juvenile and defensive remarks.

Once again, it's very easy to say "Poetry is for pussies and you stand as a shining example of that." when you don't sign your name to it: that makes you the pussy.

And now the next guy, who comes in here, once again anonymously, acting like she or he knows me, once again with the same bullshit about how I "live" for this or how people should "ignore" me and blah blah blah the same shit for eight years already! Fuck you!!!!!! I DO NOT LIVE FOR THIS SHIT!!! YOU live for this shit, you coward.

Take your dime store psychology and shove it up your ass, or better yet, sign your name to your slanderous lies in your posts.

I'm not trying to make ANY argument. My argument has been made at my website and I challenge anyone to look at the pages in my website and show me where all this alleged slander and vendetta and power trip is. You won't find it. You'll find a lot of good vibes at my site. You'll find a lot of hard work that I've put into it over the last eight years HELPING people. You know where the slander and vendetta and power trip is, right here. Look in the mirror man. Go ahead, look at ChicagoPoetry.com and show me where all these horrible things you accuse me of are.

"...Blah blah blah what else can we expect from you right wing Bush hangers on?"


Mr. Laity, I had never heard of you before this Chicagoist article and your subsequent peculiar posts.

However, I have seen enough to point out that you are destroying whatever meager reputation you might have had.

Several writers above have tried to tell you this already. For your own good, don't present yourself to the world as a crybaby.

Guest hates poetry,
The evil tool of emo.
Please grow the fuck up.

I'm just going to assume this is Greg Gillam because this is the type of total nonsense he alwasy talks about. Let's answer this slander.

"CJ's been a longtime supporter of the poetry scene, but he's also had a rage problem since he worked on a zine pre-internet. He's alienated many people which, of course, is everyone's fault but his own."

Yeah, I've alienated so many people, that's why I have a million hits on my site and I host shows featuring thirty poets at a time. Do you ever stop and wonder maybe it is YOU who is alienating anyone who doesn't agree with you or fights back when you slander them?

"His positive contribution is undermined by his power tripping and compulsion for using engaging in arguments, feuds, vendettas and things which give him a rep as a bully in print."

Undermined to who? I can count on my two hands the poets in Chicago who feel this way, and all of them started their shit with me, not the other way around. Yes, when I was younger I was full of piss and vinegar and unfortunately some masochistic assholes tried to take me on when they KNEW I would hit back hard. Too bad.

"His targets are those who dare to disagree with him, or won't attend his shows, or sometimes just stirring things up for the drama."

Where the hell does this come from, your imagination? Targets? What the hell are you talking about? My shows are well attended; the last poetry show I did nearly a hundred people showed up. I don't care if you come to my show or not if you don't want to. Get off of yourself already.

"His methods include spreading fabricated rumors and dubious speculation which fall in the legal grey area around gossip."

This is an outright lie. It's hilarious how many times I've been accused of slander WITH slander. Name one thing that I've ever "fabricated" so at least I can defend myself from this BS.

"CJ has gone as as far as implying scenes he's had vendettas against were connected child porn and murder."

I've already mentioned the kiddy porn site and the murder in my post above; they were not "implied"; these were legitimate stories. Just because you dont' LIKE something doesn't make it slander.

"He's sent mass emails telling people to stop publishing certain poets or report them to the police. He's sent out emails under false names in an attempt to provoke people into arguing with him."

More lies. Show me an email I sent out telling people to stop publishing certain poets. That's bullshit. Okay, I admit, when I was younger I dabbled around with a few fake usernames like just about everyone else does, just like everyone is doing here. So what. You act like I've made that my policy or something. At least I'm man enough to admit my mistakes; I should have never done that, but that's water under the bridge that happened several years ago. Get over it.

"CJ's aggression on this issue means most people, simply ignore or avoid engaging his dark side and hope he stays positive. But just because the poetry scene tolerates his problems doesn't mean they like it. So if CJ feels slighted or treated badly, he has no one to blame but himself."

Once again, who the hell are you speaking for when you say "most people simply ignore it"? You don't represent most people. My site is one of the most popular poetry sites in the country. My shows are popular. I can name the ignorant people who ignore me on my two freakin' hands. And by the way I don't feel slighted at all, I'm one of the most successful poets in the City of Chicago, you little jealous piece of shit. Slighted? Huh? Get a clue!

Re: I have seen enough to point out that you are destroying whatever meager reputation you might have had.

I've been ranting like this for twenty years, pal, and haven't ruined my "reputation" yet. What is the reputation of a poet anyway? What happens if I lose my reputation? Will I no longer be able to write poetry? Save your baloney for someone who gives a crap.

And by the way I don't feel slighted at all, I'm one of the most successful poets in the City of Chicago, you little jealous piece of shit.

That's like saying you're the most successful philosophy major of all time.

Har har. It's simply hilarious how these people who feel slighted by me have gone through life year after year harboring the same delusions. J. the kiddy porn king is a sick fuck and D. IS the prime suspect in a murder investigation. Stop blaming ME for THEIR problems.

baloney = bologna. There... something constructive.

All this because you forgot to fill out your paperwork.

yes, bologna, the wonderful mystery meat, thank you

Despite the childish attacks from Sudo and Laity -the real issue is being missed by Sudo. Maybe police had a right to bust up the party but there are a hundred parties across the city to stop for similar events and they don't. Zhou's Space has been used for city sanctioned events in the past and there was never a problem. Why Friday night? Sadly it probably has to do with the ordinance sited by Laity. All of us in the creative community must be aware what this means and be prepared to take a stand.

I agree the raid was completely dubious. Of course they are going to blame it on liquor violations; does anyone expect them to reveal the real reason?

About my "childish attacks" -- yes, they are childish and I'm starting to calm down. But you have to understand I've been putting up with this silly song and dance from this handful of stuck up poets who squak like hens in a henhouse about how evil I am for going on two decades. About a year ago I donated half of my liver to a friend who was about to die of hepatitis and I saved his life. During that time the universe granted me an epiphany and I started to realize that because I grew up an abusing household, my notion of what love is has been mixed up with getting abused, and this is why constantly subjected myself to the abuse of kurt or greg or nina or todd or any number of others who have stabbed me in the back; the more abuse they dished out, the more i longed for their love. I know, boo hoo, I'm a sissy pussy poet, whatever. Since then I've done a pretty good job ignoring them, but here those fuckers are again, the same old song and dance, CJ did this and CJ did that never ever admitting what THEY DID!!!

I do NOT live for this; it freakin' gives me high blood pressure, in fact.

And here I thought all those sensitive poet types were supposed to understand irony.

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