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It was a Tuesday — a beautiful, sunny Tuesday at that. Most likely, most of the United States was getting ready for or just starting an average Tuesday in September. And then, the unthinkable happened. Two planes hit the World Trade Center towers in New York. Another plane crashed into the Pentagon, and yet another plane was crashed in Pennsylvania. The country was legitmately in "shock and awe." However, there were those of us who were sad and in mental shock, but in some part of our brains, not surprised that someone would try and show us what was what. Not too shortly after, when the fear rhetoric was flying around like confetti in a celebration parade, we wondered what the government knew about this horrific deed.
We were not alone. Almost immediately, the conspiracy theories were flying and people were speculating about all sorts of scenarios ranging from the government knew and did nothing to stop it, to it was all staged. It was hard to take any of this seriously, because people were in crisis mode and trying to figure out how to make sense of things and exactly what to do. Some people shut down during times of tragedy, some people collapse with grief. Yet others look around them and figure out what needs to be done.
Communities and companies and churches jumped into action. Despite later problems and potential corruption, the Red Cross also was there to assist in any way they could. Celebrities organized and threw a benefit. The calls for money and volunteers and blood had people running to local entities to help. There were so many conflicting emotions for us. We knew that Americans were willing and able to do miraculous things in the face of tragedy, but we were sad that regular people weren't more involved in the day-to-day welfare of their country on a regular, non-emergency basis. We actually wondered to ourselves when the blood banks would go back to imploring people to give again.
The months after simultaneously dragged and sped on, and it seemed to us that now the Bush Administration had everyone where they wanted them: feeling helpless and scared, and oh-so-very-patriotic. Speeches were made, lies were told, and as is the natural tendency of a human, of a nation — fear was quickly turned to anger and rage. So began the decline of rational discourse and a commitment to diplomacy and compromise. So began the "no spin zone" and "fair and balanced" reporting kicked up tenfold.
So, here we are, six years later. The day now known simply as "9-11" or "September 11th" is indelibly locked in our consciousness like the day John F. Kennedy died or the Challenger blew up on national TV. The Chicagoland area is holding memorial ceremonies at various times today, and it will probably always be a time for reflection and a touchstone to the nation's grief over the loss so many American lives.
More thoughts after the jump ...
We're in a senseless war; wasting money and time that we could be using for education, health care and our economic insecurity. More importantly, we're losing lives and mangling bodies for a war whose initial premise was phony to begin with. And to truly add insult to injury, we're betraying the men and women we are sending to some unwinnable war by not providing them with the equipment they need, and treating them like second-class citizens when they come home. From a 51% to 90% jump in his approval rating after 9/11, to a 33% rating today — the emperor has no clothes, and he's taking everyone else down with him. Something(s) has/have gone terribly wrong, and some of us are biding time until there is a real chance to make some of this right.
Realistically, it seems most of us have gone back to our everyday homes and make do with our everyday lives. Things are bad, but we often feel powerless to do anything about it. We urge you to stand up and make a difference in your community even when things seem to be "fine."* Let's not wait until something terrible happens to stand up and show our collective strength that comes from our individual citizens making a difference in their own unique ways. We're still in the midst of tragedy, it just becomes like a toothache you learn to live with. We know there are lots of places that still really need your help.
*We've been told that word is an acronym for "Freaked out, Insecure, Neurotic, and Emotional."
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"and it will probably always be a time for reflection and a touchstone to the nation's grief over the loss so many American lives."
This just in. This country dosen't belive in reflection and as far as a touchstone to the loss of so many American lives, do you mean in Iraq?
More thoughts after the jump ...
Did your thoughts jump ahead a few years in the process? Were you really that eager to jump on the "Trash Iraq" bandwagon that you didn't even take the time to think about war in Afghanistan! You know, that war that people still believe in... The war that wasn't started by us. The war that we're now losing because of the Iraq distraction.
"The war that wasn't started by us."
Yea lets look at "The war that wasn't started by us" with out questioning the ghost of American forigen policy, because America was just a innocent victim
Ok, I am officially done with Chicagoist.
Jocelyn, you smart cookie, you must have been one of the chosen few who were not being patriotic after 9/11, who saw evidence nobody in congress or the senate saw, who knows the inner workings of a conspiracy, who has been been working in her community everyday when things seem 'fine', who is now one of the few who provides 'rational discourse' on such topics, and who is a wiser and better person than everybody else.
Stop with your self congragulatory bullshit. You fool nobody. Anybody can write a few paragraphs cherry picking theories and ideas and throwing in a few stats to make themselves feel legitimate about observations in hindsight.
If chicagoist want's any form of respect or legitimacy as a publication they need to learn how to edit broad themes and to get writer's who don't insert their supercilious opinions into every piece.
So long "guest #4" you'll be replaced by another "guest #4" in every other comments section that, you know, makes it up to four comments. I am glad that you've taken such a powerful stand though.
Spook, I'll give you that. Because it's very true. My post was a quick, emotional reaction without much thought put into it, yet I stand by the claim that more thought was put into it than this post from Chicagoist.
I mean come on. Either leave it as a post to mourn the events of five years ago and keep "the war" out of it, or be prepared to fully think about what you're going to write about in regard to "the war." Because "the war" isn't just the Iraq debacle.
Navin, can you please be done with Chicagoist as well?? We have yet to find a way to block your comments.
This was in very poor taste, Chicagoist.
I'm thoroughly disgusted.
Navin, can you please be done with Chicagoist as well?? We have yet to find a way to block your comments.
Oh god, you win...I'll be forever wondering if guest number x is actually "guest 4"
Can't we remember the 9/11 victims and those that have died since then without trashing the President? I guess not.
Navin-why is it that you automatically discount anything said by someone who doesn't bow down to Chicagoist's "prove how many people read our columns" ploy? Just because #4, myself, and lots of other people refuse to play that game doesn't mean that what the guests say isn't worth anything. Are you secretly part of Chicagoist's staff? Or do you subscribe to the notion that calling yourself "spook" somehow means you're standing behind your words?
As far as the article itself, it was the typical Chicagoist bullshit post. 9/11 means a lot of things to a lot of different people. It is probably a topic best left to discussions a little more intelligent than 7 paragraphs on a local blog and a comments section that usually devolves into a flame war between a bunch of brats.
completely silly rhetoric and a ridiculous use of space and time...you may think it silly for guest #4 to say s/he is done with the site, but I'm inclined to agree with the action myself regardless of who replaces me in the comments section. I don't read this site for sophomoric opinions on foreign affairs, and I especially don't appreciate using this day as an excuse to post a rambling and disjointed op-ed about politics and the president. Actual Americans were actually senselessly murdered. Show some respect and keep the political talking head nonsense out of it for one day.
"However, there were those of us who were sad and in mental shock, but in some part of our brains, not surprised that someone would try and show us what was what."
I genuinely cannot believe that was actually conceived, written and published. 3000 innocent people dying at work is "what's what"? Disgusting.
Not to mention that it implies that we had it coming and deserved it.
I remember the day it happened and the day after, several people in my company said to me they didn't realize that people hated Americans. As in shock and grief-stricken as I was, I knew from being in other countries that they did--resented our meddling, our big brother tactics, our holier-than-thou attitude. I don't think that it is ill-taken to use this day of mournful remembrance to focus on the reasons 9/11 might have happened and why our relations with other countries have deteriorated so badly in the years after. We have laid ourselves open to another such horrible day. It would be an honor to the people who died if we took our responsibility for treating other countries with decency and respect seriously, not just demand it for the Americans who didn't deserve it. The civilians who are dying every day in Iraq don't deserve it either.
It's always interesting when people who complain about others using tragedy for political gain write something like this to use tragedy for political gain. Geboy and all the little children just like it are no different from Bush and company. They're just as likely to use 3,000 deaths for their own purposes as the Republicans, and our long national flamewar goes on and on and on and on ...
RyanS,
I'm sorry that you can't see what's ridiculous and laughable in an anonymous person making a big announcement about leaving the site. Many guests make astute observations many don't.
I dread the coming of September 11 every year. Yes, it was a horrific day. Yes, it changed our world forever. Yes, many innocent people died. Here's the thing though - ethnic cleansing, killing fields, tsunamis, earthquakes, wars, and many, many equally if not more horrifying things have been occurring since the dawn of time, and will continue to do so. We should pause for a moment to reflect on what happened that day. The yearly pity-party that we throw ourselves however is utterly ridiculous. We discovered on September 11 that yes, we are not immune to the horrible things that happen in the rest of the world. Or as some of us like to call it "reality."
Perhaps the writer was a bit callous in tying a post about September 11 to her feelings about president. Given how shamelessly the current resident of the White House has exploited our memories of that day to promote his dubious policies and demonize anyone who disagrees with him, is that really so shocking?
That awful, awful day did not give us a fucking monopoly on suffering. And it certainly didn't give us the right to go tear-assing around the world killing people because they're a) Arab, b) Muslim, and c) may or may not have some connection, no matter how tenuous or imagined, to the people who perpetrated the attacks. Real, grown-up nations don't do shit like that.
While I agree with most of the columnist's sentiments, it's ... an opinion piece on 9/11, Bush & Iraq, mentioning Chicago only tangentially. Not sure what it's doing here. If the site starts routinely publishing material unrelated to Chicago (as it shows a trend of doing), it's going to become just another blog. No offense, but sharpen your editorial focus, guys.
"It was a Tuesday -- a beautiful, sunny Tuesday at that. Most likely, most of the United States was getting ready for or just starting an average Tuesday in September. And then, the unthinkable happened."
This opening really could qualify for the Bulwer-Lytton award.
I am with Ryan. I don't agree with a lot of what is going on in the world right now, but today is not the day for an idiotic and sophomoric rant by some half-witted writer who wanted to be a journalist when they grew up, only after supposedly growing up.
I actually agree with what Ferdy was saying and the time he took in writing it. But, his post was reactionary to the reactions to Jocelyn's poor choice of words.
I would be the last person to defend most of the writing on this site. But I take it for what it is--young amateurs writing for free in a journalistic world that has become supersaturated with opinion as reporting. I'm sorry people were offended, but to take the political out of the events of 9/11 is to ignore the reason we commemorate 9/11 in the first place. Those people wouldn't be dead if politics were not somewhere in the picture. What politicians have done with that day has been atrocious because they have shown they haven't learned a thing. I feel like those people and many more afterward died in vain.
"9/11 means a lot of things to a lot of different people..." yep, and this is what it means to me. it still shocks me that after all that has happened in the last six years, that people can still have the opinion that it's blind "patriotism" or you're a bad person.
"it is ill-taken to use this day of mournful remembrance to focus on the reasons 9/11 might have happened and why our relations with other countries have deteriorated so badly in the years after ..." it seems to me that the loss of 3,000 americans were in vain if we don't change. nothing changes if nothing changes, and as far as i'm concerned, our policies and actions under the current administration have only gotten worse, and put us more at risk than we were six years ago.
as far as the 'what was what,' wasn't that what happened? a group of people determined to show us that they could scare us and that we weren't so untouchable after all? that was their 'what,' and they achieved it through disaster. naturally, i think what happened that day was horrific. but along with the 9/11 widows , i'd like to know what happened.
Now I'm not agreeing with you Ferdy. You mention things that happened, and how our foreign policy sucks. True on all counts. But 3,000 people died and, in, your choice of words "vain." Say what you will about Iraq, but you cannot say the VICTIMS of 9/11 died in vain. They were not pawns, they were murdered.
I'm reminded of a saying that Chris Matthews, a liberal, often uses: "there's more people swimming toward this country than there are away from it."
Our foreign policy has screwed us in places, YES!, but tell me where we have absolutely screwed other people, with the sole intention of screwing people?
They were not our pawns, they were the pawns of the terrorists. What we see as murder (and I DO see it as murder) they perhaps see as retribution, destruction of the infidel, whatever. I can't get inside the head of madmen, but I'm sure they have some justification for it and therefore consider these murdered people casualties of war.
Screwing other people. I'm not sure "bombing them back to the Stone Age" qualifies as a legitimate strategic objective. I'd say we screw people every day for our own self-interest. Does standing by doing nothing count as screwing people? In my book, it does. We did that to Rwanda, and we're basically doing that in all of central Africa, which is being destabilized by the continued genocide in Darfur. We bombed Nagasaki, a gratuitous bombing after Hiroshima. What purpose did it serve? Subverting the Geneva Conventions also screws people with the sole intent of screwing them - remember Abu Ghraib?
Jocelyn, welcome to the world outside of your little box.
You don't understand how people can carry a mentality that says it's either 'blind patriotism, or you'r a bad person'.- Yet you can't get over the fact that you think it's either 'rally against everything in this Administration and American policy, or be an ignorant nameless person we look down upon'. Or, show us how somebody can be patriotic without people like you throwing up banners of protest. Every time an American Flag comes out, it's people like you who try to belittle and denigrate those who hold it.
You prove you'r own inept abilities by the question 'what really happened'- like you are a bigger person to look over what EVERY factually based writer, politician, author, proffesor, commission, and/or every other proffesional has concluded. I'm not even going to go to the trouble of listing the countless publications that shove these facts down you'r throat, do a simple google search and be a responsible journalist for once. There is irrefutable evidence.
Think what you will, if you want to believe something hard enough, you will. All kids believe in Santa Claus at some point, right?
with the sole intention of screwing people
#24 - you go first with your example of foreign policy that has ONLY had good consequences for all involved directly and indirectly
Ferdy- Whats the difference between Rwanda and pre-war Iraq? Mass genocide, racial strife, tribal warfare. Why does America HAVE to go into Darfur, and should have never gone into Iraq?
Actually, pre-invasion Iraq was repressive, but not in a state of civil war. But your point is well taken. We don't have to go in anywhere. We choose to go in where our national interests lie. Everyone else is screwed.
Hmm, let me try ...
"Example of foreign policy that has ONLY had good consequences for all involved directly and indirectly": Marshall Plan, postwar reconstruction of Europe. It'd be hard to come up with bad consequences here.
"But tell me where we have absolutely screwed other people, with the sole intention of screwing people?" The assassination of democratically-elected Patrice Lemumba of the Democratic Republic of Congo, which was supported by (and may have been physically perpetrated by) the CIA. U.S. support of Agosto Pinochet's coup and subsequent assasination of Chilean president Salvador Allende. Continued support of the Chinese government even after Tianenmen Square. Reagan's support of Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war, simply to destabilize Iran.
There are lots of examples for both side. We as a nation are niether the ultimate evil or the shinign beacon of humanity.
guest #26: so we're on the same page? that all those writers and the commission agree that we were negligent pre-9/11 and that we lied about the WMDs? that we took a tragedy and used it to perpetuate fear in the hearts and minds of americans and then took it past any logical conclusion points to start a war that has turned out to be a horrible disaster? that's what lots of "factually based writer, politican, author, professor, commission" and plenty of "professionals" have concluded. there IS irrefutable evidence; some coming from the vice-president's own mouth.
No seriously Jocelyn, what are you doing to 'stand up and make a difference in the community' now that everything seems fine?? You must be one of the biggest philanthropists in you'r neighborhood by the way you make it sound. You chastise people for giving blood the day of 9/11 and not continuing to give after, yet provide no examples of what YOU or what communities ARE ACTUALLY doing. Do a little research for once, there are countless agencies that have been working becuase of and for 9/11, and charities set up becuase of it, and unkown to you, people's lives were changed becuase of it- they saw life for what it was and dedicated their life to a cause or changed proffessions to something more fulfilling. Are these people blind patriots too??
Not everyone can sit on their ass all day and bullshit with their life, people actually get up and do something.
You are the crazy cat lady who lives in an apartment with a bunch of plants.
Here's another one of those "blind patriots":
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/ny-etcolumn5367959sep10,0,2736551.column
Jocelyn, you live in la-la land. Sometime, when I have nothing to do, I'll come visit you there.
Oof. This purple prose is TERRIBLE. Chicagoist has never had excellent writing, but really, this was bad.
Hey Navin! Stop stealing my guest haters! I think I'm being replaced!( laughing)
Please comeback guest 4,please
Honestly I am so tired of our "star spangled banner" ignorance. I will admit that as an American I benefited from American foreign human rights violations of American Foriegn policy, I except my joint roll in bringing misery to so many other countries.
This is why they hate us, most of us continue to live in happy denial walking around like America is the Moral exemplar who got attacked because of our “freedom”!
But I wonder what a Native American victim of American Terrorism feels about this? Ward Churchill who said
“If United States foreign policy results in massive death and destruction abroad, we cannot feign innocence when some of that destruction is returned. When you kill 500,000 children in order to impose your will on other countries, then you shouldn't be surprised when somebody responds in kind”
http://www.iaiachronicle.org/archives/churchillrexford.htm
Spook- Was that ward churchill who said that, or somebody else who published that before him??Maybe it was somebody who said it and he took the credit? Regardless- lets frag everybody!!! Yeah, that will be productive and enlightening. Great academics Spook!
Are you and Jocelyn partners in crime?
Many of them fucking hate us because they are nihilists engaged in Dark Age thinking. If you haven't already, read the first half of "The Looming Tower" to get at least an idea of this concept.
Don't let your reasonable hatred of all the damage Bush has done to our country and to the world cloud your view of radical Muslims. Despite the huge strategic mistake we made in invading Iraq and losing our focus on the war in Afghanistan and anti-radical efforts elsewhere, we still face real enemies, even amid the right wing hype.
I have no problem with our tax dollars going towad the effort to create rivers of blood from these radical Dark Age nihilists. You can't exactly reason with them, after all, nor appeal to their brighter sides.
It's funny how spook tries to use ward churchill as a good source, yet if somebody qouted ann coulter- on the exact opposite end of the political spectrum (who doesn't plaigarize)- spook would be the first one to fire insults. Spook doesn't see the extremity of someone like ward churchill, yet it would be scary for spook to think that people can agree with ann coulter; yet, Spook is the one telling people they 'blindly follow' and would agree with Jocelyn that people have 'blind patriotism'.
Quite strange and ironic when you think about it.
(go ahead spook, scourge my guest # with attempts at irrelevancy etc...)
I'm going to a town that has already been burned down
I'm going to a place that is already been disgraced
I'm gonna see some folks who have already been let down.
I'm so tired of America
I'm gonna make it up for all of the Sunday Times
I'm gonna make it up for all of the nursery rhymes
They never really seem to want to tell the truth
I'm so tired of you America
Making my own way home
Ain't gonna be alone
I got a life to lead America
I got a life to lead
Tell me do you really think you go to hell for having loved?
Tell me and not for thinking every thing that you've done is good
After soaking the body of Jesus Christ in blood
I'm so tired of America
I may just never see you again or might as well
You took advantage of a world that loved you well
I'm going to a town that has already been burned down
I'm so tired of you America
Making my own way home
Ain't gonna be alone
I got a life to lead America
I got a life to lead
I got a soul to feed
I got a dream to heed
And that's all I need
Making my own way home
Ain't gonna be alone
I'm going to a town that has already been burned down
And Chicagoist continues to write about Chicago.
How did you know Guest 38! Joce and I were partners! We met at the School of the Americas. Of course they renamed it the “Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation" after a little "controversy" generated from stupid commie pinko liberals. Back then I admired her ability to pull nails out of fingers with pliers slowly. She said my water electric shock technique sent shivers up her red white and blue spine. Then with a little help from our partners in the Intelligence, American Businesses Community and the USA Tax payer, we tortured and killed our way throughout the “third world” destabilizing governments, including democratic ones that we didn’t believe in,tap dancing like Fred Astaire and Doris Day from Chile, to El Salvador, to Guatemala, to Vietnam, the Philippines, Cuba, South Africa, Mozambique, etc, etc, etc, You might have noticed that we took over the affairs from our European friends when they could no longer handle their natives. You remember the Congo/Zaire right? Gee I wonder why they would hate us today? Now we sleep real comfortable in our beds, well feed. The historical amnesia worked real well until 9/11, but heck one American’s tragedy is another American’s opportunity right? We made a fortune off those yellow “Support our Opps (Troops)Car Magnets, lapels with the American flags, etc, we made big bucks until people went back to sleep. But with the way this economy is going down the tank, I’m glade I own stocks in Halliburton and Black water!
Don’t forget to Remember the Maine!
Nice Spook- your shown for what you are, and you respond by showing more of yourself. Unfortunetaly you have a lack of actual ability and cannot back up your words. It must be nice to sit and write the way you do. Meanwhile, people are actually working their asses off doing shit you don't have the balls or capacity to do.
Chicagoist is made for people like you to blog on; check back every 15 min. and write a pointless comment while the world goes by.
Meanwhile...
44, please elaborate. When you say I don't have the ability to back up my words, do you mean that I lack the facts about colonialism in Africa, Asia and Latin America, and about how we destabilized other countries because of our at best complete lack of understanding between communism and nationalism at best, and at worst put our Geopolitical Business interests before human rights, self determination and democracy?
And when you say “people actually working their asses off doing shit you don't have the balls or capacity to do. “do you mean those that torture and murder to meet the above objectives?
keep patting yourself on the back Spook...
we expect nothing more from you
Leftcagoist strikes again!
Oh, god, I wish my fellow guests would just learn to ignore spook. He's nothing but a troll hoping to get a rise out of people. You're simply feeding his ego when you reply to him. Just leave him alone.
I could really care less what Jocelyn thinks about the events of 9-11 or the Bush administration, so I don't know what everyone is getting so upset about.
OH YEAH, that's the whole point, this should not even be on this blog. Gothamist? Obviously. Chicagoist? Makes no sense. And why is this filed under "Architecture"??
Chris Matthews, a Bush voter in 2000, and someone who has been known to pop boners when talking about Fred Thompson's manliness, is a liberal?
Ridiculous.
Architecture? Nice pick up 49. Seems the old Chicagoist hacks made yet another mistake in the rush to deadline...If you want to call it that.
What I find kind of interesting in all of this is that for the same reasons the Chicagoist staff brands the Chicago Police Department as Polish bartender-beating thugs, trigger-happy murderers of African American teens and Jefferson bar-hanging roughians, they feel compelled to defend a group (albeit a small sampling of one) of Islamists who really do want to destroy us in every way, shape and form. I mean, if you call all cops scumbags based on the actions of a select few, shouldn't the white, Christian American right be allowed to point the finger at all people who wear clothes on their heads and accuse them of being terrorists? I mean, the last I checked, there were 19 hijackers and so far this year, there have been about 10 officers who have committed serious crimes. Sure, it wasn't 3,000 murders, but, hey, who's counting!
And by the way, I am not condoning the acts of the guilty police or the obnoxious Christian right. Just making a point. Either you rename this site "Apologist for all those who believe in what I do," or admit that your logic is downright hypocritical.
And yes, Spook is a troll. Leave him be. He isn't even consistent in his drivelings and attacks on the staff here. He agrees with them, but rips them for the hell of it just to get a rise out of everyone. That is the definition of troll.
Chris Matthews is not high on Fred Thompson, nor did he vote for W in 2000. He plays center on his show, but if you ever sit down and talk to him the way I have, you'd know the truth. Then again, you probably expected to see Christopher Reeves in his Superman costume walking into the studios of SNL the first night your mommy ever let you stay up to watch it.
I can't believe, after all this time, that someone will still accuse a person of defending the September 11th attackers if that person clearly states their opposition to the war in Iraq. I still can't believe the invective. I feel nothing but sadness, for those men and women who lost their lives that morning, for those of us who were castigated and called unamerican and islamofascists when we opposed the war from the beginning, for those of us who supported the president and the war and were taken advantage of for our faith in american government, for those of us in the military sacrificing body and soul in Iraq, and facing trauma alone when we come home. There's nothing to feel about these last 6 years but sadness.
architecture ... because two very important buildings to the NY skyline fell that day.
as far as it not being chicago related, i think there are a LOT of people in chicago and the surrounding areas who were affected by the events of that day and those that have followed.
architecture ... because two very important buildings to the NY skyline fell that day.
Makes perfect sense! I'll be expecting any reports of Chicago fires to be filed under "architecture" as well.
A lot of national and global things have some sort of affect on Chicagoans -- federal tax cuts, war, the Presidential election -- and I don't want to read about any of them on here, either.
I love the continued defense of the criticism of lack of focus on this blog. Your READERS are telling you what they would like to read, and they are continuously berated and ignored. It's not about going somewhere else if we don't like it, it's that we want to be HERE, see the great potential, and wish someone would step the fuck up to try and achieve that potential.
I can't believe, after all this time, that someone will still accuse a person of defending the September 11th attackers if that person clearly states their opposition to the war in Iraq.
Where did you read that? I think most were taking issue with the implication that we deserved to be showed "what was what". That has nothing to do with Iraq.
Again Jocelyn, what are you doing to stand up in your community now that everything is fine? Stop trying to berate people with your haughty attitude and liberal sychopant musings that serve to reinfornce you'r closed minded views.
ok guest 26, 32, 57....
what is with your continued spelling of "you're" ???
stop it! stop it! stop it!