Chicagoist: Superdelegate

Spav1

Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:40:23 -0600

I understand. I am "e-shaking" on it, which means it is on...no backing out!

Kfunk

Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:50:22 -0600

OK deal- Just to clarify: Time frame is until the Presidential Election is over (not nomination process) and in order to even the odds a bit (since there is only one Edwards and 1,000,000 people who could be the running mate), if Edwards cashes his delegates into a cabinet position then we call it a draw but we honor the bet until its clear that has happened. Complicated I know, but my outdated and rhetorical mind is pretty twisted.

Spav1

Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:41:50 -0600

Agreed. Same terms on my end if you lose the bet?

Kfunk

Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:25:18 -0600

OK- but money is probably not a good thing to bet. How about if you loose you have to change your chicagoist icon to a picture of my choosing until the election is over?

Spav1

Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:15:56 -0600

Kfunk: I will literally bet you money that Edwards doesn't make VP on ANY Democratic ticket.

Kfunk

Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:32:23 -0600

Does Foreign Policy experience mean blowing crap up in Mediterranean countries? Generals don't make foreign policy or negotiate it- they follow the executive branches direction. Besides, Clark is squarely in the Clinton camp after serving under Bill and endorsing Hillary. I think Edwards will be spending the next few days trying to cozy up to Obama as VP while flaunting the offer of his delegates. They possibly have already agreed to join up but are waiting for some time to pass to appear less shady. Outdated Rhetoric 1: Obama needs him some Southern White man Love Outdated Rhetoric 2: Change is good (Edwards says Change almost more often than Obama) Outdated Rhetoric 3: Clark is about as exciting as a giant sack of potatoes (And I like Potatoes!) Biggest outdated rhetorical downside: We will get sick of hearing Edwards talk about that damn mill worker thing over and over again. If Edwards throws his support to Obama before the 2/5 primary then I will guarantee he is Obamas running mate at the Dem Convention. If he holds out, then your guess is as good as mine (unless your name is Spav1, then your guess is nowhere near as good as mine).

Spav1

Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:35:57 -0600

Clark has military and foreign policy experience, what Obama needs on a ticket. With public distrust of government in general pretty high and of Congress in particular, I would argue that it would be better to have a "Colin Powell" type on the ticket. I am just suggesting. At least I had the stones the throw a name out. Thanks for hiding behind stupid and out-dated rhetoric. Back it up.

spookhatespuppies

Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:03:37 -0600

Oh, spav, you know I love you. But the potential for Lord Xenu to grab a hold of her frontal lobe is right there in those eyes.

Kfunk

Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:58:07 -0600

Oh thanks- I forgot that electoral votes were broken up according to unconventional thinking. I can't really understand your totally awesome logic because I am so mainstream in my views. If you like Clark then you should probably go with the whole out-dated geography thing since that would be one of his strengths. Snagging Oklahoma will be pivotal to success in 2008- too bad Wesley finished a strong 4th place overall last time behind Kerry, Dean, and Edwards. Also a guy should show he can win an election (any one besides OK) before you pair him with someone else who has experience issues.

Spav1

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:17:22 -0600

No one here understands logic if it isn't the conventional wisdom. God forbid we think things that aren't mainstream. And that picture is is pre-brainwash, from Dawson's Creek.

spookhatespuppies

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:24:21 -0600

Spav1 argues like a caveman clubbing someone over their head and dragging them to a cave to sodomize them. This is effect is helped further along by the creepy picture of an obviously brainwashed Katie Holmes staring back through your soul. Now that I've made my piece with spook, I need a new nickname...

Spav1

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:59:13 -0600

SlapHappy: You can't bring more ethnic to an Obama ticket. He is going to go with a white man for sure (same for Hillary), which means Richardson is out. Kfunk: How about you name an "actual politician" who would fit the bill? Clark ran in 2004 and won the Oklahoma primary...so does this count? People in the south LOVE them some military. I think Clark would be a great choice. The whole, bring geography to balance the ticket doesn't really fly anymore. See: every election for the past twenty years. When politicians are no longer assured that they can win their own states (Gore/Edwards), why should it then follow that they can win wide swaths of the country. Your conventional wisdom is totally out of date.

Kfunk

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:14:32 -0600

You guys are looking in the wrong place for a VP anyway. Wesley Clark's foreign policy is as a General AFAIK. How about an actual politician that supports Obama and can carry some southern states like Florida and Georgia. Worst Case Scenario: Edwards throws his support and delegates to Hillary and then joins her ticket-> disenfranchising many Obama supporters and possibly sinking the 2008 'Democratic sure win'.

Slaphappy

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:09:02 -0600

I still say Bill Richardson would be Obama's best choice for VP.

Kfunk

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:57:06 -0600

To be fair to Colin Powell he was sort of the first high profile Bushie to quit to 'spend more time with his family' AKA "get out of this stupid administration where I just have to present bull sh*t false evidence to the UN".

Spav1

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:18:57 -0600

Those endorsements are all up in the air if Hillary isn't the nominee. For party unity, she would support Obama and the Clark could be on the ticket if he so chose.

Vvalle

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:07:51 -0600

Clark endorsed Hillary back in September

Spav1

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:34:34 -0600

Maybe Wesley Clark for VP then. THAT would be an interesting ticket.

spookhatespuppies

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:24:40 -0600

@Spav1: Wesley Clark is more than just "a military personnel". He's been in the business and political world for a while now, and I'm more than certain he'd be happy to help guide someone like an Obama through the Iraq quagmire. I just think an old white Southern guy with some expertise in military matters would be just the thing for Barack.

Spav1

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:13:59 -0600

Kevin, absolutely not! He is always saying racist and made up things. Also, he plagarizes. He his VERY entertaining because in 30 years of public service, he has developed no tact, which is very strange.

Kevin Robinson

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:09:41 -0600

Joe Biden is about as exciting as unsalted rice cakes.

Spav1

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:45:27 -0600

Miltary personnel in that office is a TERRIBLE idea (See Colin Powell) because they are trained their entire careers to fall in-line with their Commander in Cheif. So what happens when the CinC is a retard? You get Colin the Patsy up at the UN spewing a bunch of garbage and cut to eight years later of surges and shit and it is all bad news. That office requires an independent mind like Biden. I love him.

spookhatespuppies

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:41:20 -0600

Why not Wesley Clark?

Spav1

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:23:06 -0600

John Edwards doesn't want to get into "Always a Bridesmaid..." situation. And Obama will CLEARLY need to choose someone who has more experience than he does, especially in foreign policy. Joe Biden for Secretary of State.

brynmawr

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:14:21 -0600

Attorney Gen can do more

matty

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:04:20 -0600

Great article. I had no idea how super delegates worked until now and I now see why the Kennedy endorsement has real meaning rather than just symbolism.

mike_thoms

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:01:48 -0600

why not Obama's VP

mike_thoms

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:32:11 -0600

Last night on MSNBC's SOTU coverage some expert said there's no way Michigan and Florida get included.

Spav1

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:29:58 -0600

John Edwards is going to throw his delegates to whoever gives him Attorney General. If we are continuing the Kennedy comparisons from yesterday, he will be Obama's RFK.