Chicagoist: "Child Abuse" in America

Ward Up

Sat, 08 Mar 2008 11:16:23 -0600

By the way, this use of "Angels in America" is NOT opposed by any reputable groups on the Right. Just a couple of tiny splinter-whacko groups.

Ward Up

Sat, 08 Mar 2008 11:14:02 -0600

The mistake by Concerned WOMEN of America is having this policy director being allowed to act in any what whatsoever as a commenter for the group. If the group had any sense, they would have Matt Barber refer reporters to one of the WOMEN in the organization. Would that have been too complicated?

anima

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:00:06 -0600

Sorry, wrong "news" outlet-- s/b CBS, not Sun-Times. Oops.

matty

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:12:27 -0600

this guy gives people with the name matt a bad name.

Navin

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:08:15 -0600

As much as I wish this guy was the most concerned boss of "Concerned Women" he's actually just: Policy Director for Cultural Issues So either it's a typo or not so thorough reporting.

literati

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:00:34 -0600

Planned Parenthood does not have "Women" in the name! It is possible for a man to be a parent, it is not possible for a man to be a woman!

Registered Guest

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:55:29 -0600

Dig, it's not that a man cannot effectively run any group that is concerned with women's issues, but that a man is running this group called Concerned WOMEN of America. Unless there's something we're missing here, Matt is not, in fact, a concerned woman.

Dig

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:30:43 -0600

Planned Parenthood has a very successful male CEO - what of it? The gender of this Matt fellow has no place in valid cricism of the group, and if you think that womens issues only affect women you are very wrong. Anyway, this group is without credibility and the school board should be fired if they cater to a book burning cult. Fuck these religious people and their lame attempt at control over secular society.

youattal

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:12:53 -0600

Concerned Women of America has long been known as one of the nutjob groups of the Far Right--I'm surprised CBS was even willing to cover them. Clearly a slow news day. Don't give these people any more attention than they deserve.

matilda

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:50:52 -0600

"There's plenty of truly great literature for high schoolers to read that doesn't enrage religious people. " Fuck that. So, the criteria for literature for high-schoolers is that it doesn't piss off religious people? Again, fuck that. What a bullshit idea. And an unworkable one, too. For instance, what about a book that might piss off Catholics but might be OK with certain Baptists?

UTV

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:45:13 -0600

Having a book protested and burned is the best non-Oprah way of assuring it DOES get read. Look at the Marquis de Sade - it's not great literature, but people still read it today because it made so many people collectively crap their pants.

Jess D'Amico

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:43:40 -0600

@smussy and smokes: I wanted to go off that too, but there wasn't enough time in the post to berate books and discuss feminism. He's obviously doing a crack-up job though.

Jess D'Amico

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:38:38 -0600

@goethean: But this is not a must-read. It's one on a list of books that advanced placement students may or may not read. I agree that it probably should not be on a must read high school list, but I think it should not be banned from the options.

Smokes

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:37:34 -0600

Thanks Smussy I'm glad that someone else picked up on that. I lost the point of the article completely because all I could think was "Wait... the director of Concerned WOMEN for America is a DUDE?!"

Smokes

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:36:33 -0600

To Smussy: I'm glad that someone else picked up on that. I lost the point of the article completely because all I could think was "Wait... the director of Concerned WOMEN for America is a DUDE?!!?!?"

goethean

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:34:23 -0600

It's not a free speech issue, its an education issue. There's plenty of truly great literature for high schoolers to read that doesn't enrage religious people. Tony Kushner is not must-read material for high schoolers. The problems outweigh the merit in this case.

widdlytinks

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:09:07 -0600

High schoolers deserve to be exposed to this stuff, even if you think it's crap, because it allows you to discuss things. I don't get why people ban books, because if you really find them offensive, this gives you an opportunity to discuss and question.

billymax85

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:45:58 -0600

"Racist, pornographic smut"? Really? Angels in America is definitely a play with adult themes. And the mini-series on HBO definitely would have been given an R rating in theaters. But "pornographic smut" makes it seem as though the sexual imagery is gratuitous, which it isn't. The author's view of the play is correct. It's one that most people should read -- not just students. Beyond that, the way it presents the 1980s as more than simply a time of crappy music, big hair and Reaganomics is absolutely brilliant.

Navin

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:44:51 -0600

"This isn't a First Amendment issue. This is about school officials betraying the community trust. Heads need to roll here. Assigning this racist, pornographic smut to high school kids is nothing short of child abuse.” It's funny that he name drops the bill of rights but on his page on their website it says: Matt has now taken his fight from the boxing ring to the ring of public policy where he is proud to be part of CWA’s noble mission to “bring Biblical principles into all levels of public policy.”

matilda

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:05:21 -0600

There's a place in central Berlin, near the Spree and not so far from the DDR musuem, where one can stand on a glass plaque that memorializes one of the earliest, if not the first, official book burning under the Nazi regime. It's is a small memorial but very chilling, and there are always tourists there (I've been to Berlin multiple times). I would love for these eager censors to stand in such a place after studying the history of book burning, and then contemplate their short-sighted, offensive actions. No, I am not calling these local assholes Nazis, only pointing out the tradition to which the local assholes belong.

smussy

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:04:40 -0600

i absolutely LOVE that -matt- barber is the director for concerned *women* of america. WTMF? and "heads need to roll?" what action movie does this douchebag think he's in? hey, matt! watch 'jesus camp.' now THAT's some good, old-fashioned child abuse.

Jess D'Amico

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:02:55 -0600

Ah, sorry I was still on the war-path. Yes I agree with you there, I'm sure as soon as the first gay reference or anti-semitic comment happens they stop and just say "That's it. This is heresy!" without seeing why the "controversial" material is there in the first place.

UTV

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:58:06 -0600

I think you misunderstand me. I wasn't saying you hadn't read it. I'm saying the people who want to burn every copy probably aren't all that familiar with the material they're crusading against.

Jess D'Amico

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:54:50 -0600

Well see, had I not read it, then maybe that would be a good thing to add, but then again I probably would not have written a post on it either.

UTV

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:53:29 -0600

My previous comment was so important, I felt I had to post it twice.

UTV

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:49:41 -0600

You know, I read the story on the CBS2 Web site, and there was really only one thing missing - the usual "of course, I haven't read it myself, but I'm very familiar with the themes. I'm a very busy hysterical censor, you see."

Vermin

Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:44:19 -0600

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