Chicagoist: Holy Name Protesters Held

joseph_dunphy_in_chicago

Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:31:50 -0600

"This was arguably misguided and ineffectual, but it's nice to see there's still who give a shit." Here's a thought for you. Why is it that in a society in which "The Man" is likeliest to be Anglo-Saxon and Protestant, when protesters dish out the hate, they so often save it for the Catholic Church, and seem to have none to spare for any Protestant denominations? (Though lately, I can report that they seem to have some to spare for Judaism). And isn't it intriguing how many of our protesters, filled with such hateful love, seem to come from Protestant backgrounds, when they are asked? Could it be, I wonder, that some of this acting up is just garden variety bigotry? Especially when the Catholic church isn't particularly pro-war, meaning that there is no visible connection between the act and its supposed rationale? Why a Catholic church, and not a Baptist, or Lutheran, or Methodist, or Presbyterian, or ... so many possibilities, and none of them ever chosen, as far as I know.

Pherdnut

Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:23:22 -0600

A felony seems like a bit much. Perhaps a permanent "L" tattoo on the forehead. The punishment and bail amounts are excessive but I don't get why you would support what these kids did. It only gives the 19% that still supports Bush something to point at as idiotic behavior on the part of the opposition. Ultimately they'd do a lot more good delivering donuts to various HQs of an election effort aimed at getting us out of Iraq. I'd have to question whether they're bright enough to do anything else. But still, with all the time, effort and expense that's going to go into the legal process required for all of this they could have delivered a LOT of donuts.

Spook

Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:15:29 -0600

p.s and I do appreciate your steadfast support for Commentator of the Month!

Spook

Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:04:07 -0600

Spoken by Spook in a southern accent… Why thank you kindly for your permission, dear Miss Celery Salt! Yes, I will with your goodly blessings continue to “do what I do”. Which is tug on the many lose threads of the social order that has allowed you and your dear brethren to incubate and hatch in tiny brick well kept bungalows with nice even lawns, like brand new chickadees protected from the urban wolves. So that you may grow up and thrive in the comfort and warmth that you have grown so accustomed too, all snug as a bug in a red, white, and blue rug and such. But, perhaps, Miss Celery, I say perhaps, you and your “vibrant social justice committees” in order to insure a proper civil social order for your fair children - free of my ilk- should hold a Pub Crawl in Lincoln Park to raise funds in support of over turning the voting rights act of 1965 that ruled literacy tests unconstitutional! And of course Affirmative Action that has allowed the clearly unqualified to take the rightful place of good folks such as yourself at fancy east coast universities and institutions like the U of C, Stanford, etc! Yikes, Yikes, Yikes I say! Kissy kissy Spook

celerysalt

Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:21:03 -0600

you just keep jumping from one conclusion to the next. i've never even been to st. pat's block party! i've never been to a frat/sorority party. you do this all the time - paint people in broad strokes where there is no evidence/correlation/whatever. i would love you to know what i do for a living. i would love to let you know how completely wrong you are - apparently about everything. but i guess i'll just let you run your mouth in anonymity, you poor pathetic, illiterate, disrespectful COWARD.

Spook

Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:26:46 -0600

Oh My Gawd! Lordie Lordie Lordie Sweet Baby Jesus! The "annual picnic on the Cardinal's lawn! St. St. Pats Block Party! Theology on Tap!" What? Hark? Only a quarter wit, half pence I.Q like you Salt on the Brain, would even dare attempt to paint your committees made up of your in-breed friends that do nothing more than sponsor various "ethnic pride" drunken mating gatherings that allow only the modern day knuckle dragging on the ground, cheap beer swilling, midwest frat boys and girls from Bridgeport, Mt Greenwood and Lincoln Park, as serious organizations dedicated to social justice. Now with that said,recorded and out the way.... "May the road rise up to meet you!" ;-)

celerysalt

Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:37:48 -0600

Spook - I most certainly have interfaced with the office of Peace and Justice. Did you know they have an annual picnic on the Cardinal's lawn? Did you know that St. Benedict's, St. Pats, St. Gregory all have vibrant social justice committees? Are you aware of Theology on Tap? Call me a liar. It's not true. You're just angry because you have no ammunition to dispute what is fact: you are still in need of a third grade education, cause your ass can't write and your posts make no sense. And you lash out personally against people who constantly prove you to be the ILLITERATE BOOB that you are. God bless you, my love.

Spook

Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:35:44 -0600

Celerysalt, As an uneducated illiterate, I’m able, like a wise mountain peasant in Thailand, to empirically divine when some one is blatantly lying, like you are now. Because out of all the numerous people that I’ve disagreed with, insulted, and have been insulted right back by, You, sir, are the only one that hasn’t referenced a book, person, historical event, or philosophical school in which you base any of your empty attacks upon me, with the exception of the Oprah Book of the Month Club. So it’s clear that you’ve never heard of the Office of Peace and Justice until I mentioned it. It is equally clear, that I know far more about progressive Catholic ideals than you'd ever care to know, if that is, you had the intellectual where-with-all to comprehend said concepts. But as we are all in a state of decay and death, let me direct a final comment at you based on my favorite Salman Rusdie Satanic Verses character, “Gibbo”; “With death comes honesty so I can call you( Celerysalt) by your true names, you piece of pig excrement” :-) Matilda. There comes a time when two logical people debate to a draw because, both are well armed and secured in the facts, but their ideology differs. Yes, I disagree with your view because I feel that you place "immediate" electoral victory at a premium. I, do the same with long term political and social struggle, which I know you disagree with and find naiveté I agree that we’ve not had any significant national victories. But we have had numerous local successes, like Harold Washington, Paul Wellstone,and some local folks I could name, and other folks in states that I don’t know. See, I feel that while electoral victories offer “immediate” gratification, they often result in set backs and compromises that hurt folks at the bottom(like “welfare reform”), instead of helping empower them. But again, I know none of this is tangible enough to persuade you. But perhaps we can agree on one single point. That we all must be in this struggle for “The long Hall” like the title of Myles Horton’s book and recognize that we should no matter of our day professions, see ourselves as activist,freedom fighters and artists, but always “in training” like the numerous folks who came before us and trained at the Horton’s Highlander School in Tennessee, like Rosa Parks and MLK and maybe, just maybe, it will take us both? Now belive it or not, I got work to do, I'm out like shout. p.s Dan1 Thank you for your support for Commentator of the Month!

Navin

Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:14:25 -0600

@spook, His blood and some bullets were splattered all over the front of that church back in '26. Also perhaps these protester's anger in this case would have been better directed at George and other Catholic big cheese's habits of protecting little boy diddling priest goblins.

celerysalt

Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:52:35 -0600

and matilda: you're totally right about the working class thing. my father is a truck driver, a dyed-in-the-wool progressive and devout Catholic. And he would've smacked these little brats in the face had they walked into any church/temple/mosque and tried this crap.

celerysalt

Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:48:41 -0600

Spook, I actually have been involved with the Office of Peace and Justice. So there. And by "Catholic activist", I meant that I consider myself both a Catholic and a social justice activist. I've wasted a lot of keystrokes on commenting on this event. I could've summed it up very simply: AMATEUR HOUR. I'm so glad I'm not 21 anymore. So embarrassing for them, really. And Spook - you're still an illiterate, disrespectful boob.

jmagic

Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:43:28 -0600

Ward Up: I'm still wondering if the 18th district cops ever gave McLovin his inhaler. i was thinking about the same thing ... it's the details that are important people. details! spook - windbag with a keyboard. Margaret - give the fucktard a t-shirt already so he'll stop ranting and raving about being "comment queen of the month" - it obviously means so much to him/her - tranny.

dan l

Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:41:04 -0600

No. All you do by disrupting people's day to day lives is aggrivate them and make you and your issues look stupid. It doesn't help. I'll point it out again: These "champions" of the anti-war movement look as though they're in no danger of ever having to deal with the troublesome job market. They're dirty looking. Who on Earth will look at these punks and say "Yeah, I want to identify with them", especially in the context of being inconvenienced.

matilda

Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:19:45 -0600

Spook/Third: There is a difference between what should be and what actually is, differences that people attached more to ideology than pragmatism rarely understand. I agree. It would be stupid to base political views on spite. But that doesn't mean it does not happen, or that silly leftists can easily turn off fence-sitters. Leftists have never understood the political realities of America and never will, and that is why they fail year after year, decade after decade. Leftists live in a dream world--a world where disrupting an Easter service at a church that has opposed the war somehow is considered productive--and this is one reason why leftists keep failing. Serioulsy, when was the last real leftist victory in America? I would say one would have to go back to the '30s, at the least. (I don't count Civil Rights in the '60s, and that was an effort that required the intervention of moderates at the Congressional and White House levels.) Working class roots my ass. I come from a working class family, and have worked many working class jobs, and no one I know from the working class would think this form of protest was smart or productive. The working class people I know and grew up with would have kicked the shit out of these stupid and silly leftist kids.

Spook

Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:04:58 -0600

Well put ThirdShiftDave- with your working class roots! I mentioned that a while ago, the need for all of us to be rendered more uncomfortable and inconvenienced from our daily routine like the people( and thier families) dying on the battle field and in the streets of Iraq

JayDeeMv2

Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:51:05 -0600

What a bunch of fucking dumbasses. They accomplised absolutely nothing by doing this,except ruining a church service. They should be charged with felonies.I've also seen the girl,fourth from left,around WP and I can't wait to laugh in her face next time I see her.I might even throw some fake blood on her in protest of her stupidity.

thirdshiftdave

Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:49:15 -0600

"But don't make my life difficult to make a point which, frankly, I'm less inclined to agree with after seeing that apparently - that position is championed by pale gawky kids." @32, so you formulate your political ideas based on spite on a personal level? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just saying that in an attempt to denigrate the effectiveness of demonstrations because they're inconvenient for you. It can't be the former, that would just be far too stupid.

Spook

Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:10:11 -0600

Point of clarification Celery? Is the church in question part of the liberal wing of the Catholic Church or of the more conservative? Its my understanding that it is of the more conservative? And, as you're the self anointed "Catholic advocate"( and here I thought I was) as opposed to Moi, -an internet troll exemplar- perhaps you might be so willing to share your merits of your appointment? Cause given your "language" sir, I do not feel you are remotely connected with the Office for Peace and Justice of the Archdiocese of Chicago or such organizations? And on that subject do you share Dan1's opinion of Father Flager's work and advocacy on the south side of Chicago? And Dan1 I can assure you, that I have more than a nodding acquaintance with the really absurd and I am able to get up in the mornings because of certain beliefs rooted in certain justice traditions which I have been the only person here to reference including the "tragic comic" -as in Chekhov- laughing to keep from crying or going mad under the weight of all this Absurdity. and I aint talking about those kids either. And I hope we all have taken something from this. Olly McPherson may your voice continue to ring out on Chicagoist Navin,I can use the distraction, along with my night cap and cigar to celebrate my return to my desk( after a three day weekend) in the morning, so do explain about Hymie Weiss? p.p.s Matilda perhaps you might be interested in taking a look at a book called "The Children" by David Halberstam(sp?) about the real heros of the civil rights movement( children) We disagree on things I know, but it is clear that you are not afraid to pick up a book

simplecreature

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:47:45 -0600

Ignoring Spook, who is simply wandering in the fields of the idle mind at this point, and looking at the actual "content" of these chucklebrains for a second. They wanted to denounce the Cardinal for meeting with Bush. There's a solid argument to be made that having a photo-op (and that's all any religious leader meeting with the president is folks, a photo oppurtunity) with a "war president" is counter to the ostensibly peaceful message of the church. But in taking this kind of nonsensical action the protesters actually engender sympathy for the Cardinal, elicit rage from the right and wear away support from the middle and even the left. Look at the "anonymous" protests last month. Peaceful, non-violent, extensively covered, they made a bold and open statement about Scientology, freedom of information and did so in a way that made people want to know more about the issues. You cannot win hearts and minds by splattering people with paint and screaming slogans while being tossed in a paddy wagon. If these people had an ounce of creativity they'd have used it to find a way to make their point in a manner that didn't insult, degrade or scare people. Splattering people with fake blood (and at the time all people knew was they'd been sprayed with something by crazy ranting people) in a public place with a message of peace? Come on now.

Navin

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:22:25 -0600

Hymie Weiss is laughing somewhere.......

celerysalt

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:29:07 -0600

spook googled "Catholic Social justice" on wikipedia. good for you, spook! Again, speaking as the self appointed catholic activist here, my point is this: this protest was DUMB because it was preaching to the choir, except instead instead of gathering consensus, you're spitting on on the very coalition you're trying to build, and representing your cause as extreme and insane. being against the war in iraq is neither, but these dipshits succeeded in lowering the level of debate, rather than raising it. and as i mentioned in the earlier post on this, these rejects were protesting cardinal george talking to president bush...hes already against the war. i'm with the people who say that meeting with your adversaries is a good, sane thing to do, especially when it has the potential to save countless thousands of lives.

dan l

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:24:25 -0600

Spook, You'll decline the idea because you realize the absurdity of going into someone's church posing as a practitioner of the faith, disrupting worship, and then claiming it was your own private interpretation of said faith. And I'll denounce Flager whenever I please. He's a media whore, no better than the evangelical freaks out of the bowels of Dupage county. His masturbatory self-promotion, vanity, coupled with his loud mouth is embarrassing.

dan l

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:14:17 -0600

"when it won't bother anyone and when no one will notice." Exactly. Look, we have jobs, lives, careers, and mortgages. Want to hold a protest? Do it at a coffee house or at the park. But don't make my life difficult to make a point which, frankly, I'm less inclined to agree with after seeing that apparently - that position is championed by pale gawky kids.

Spook

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:11:41 -0600

I think I'll pass on your Mount Greenwood invite, but you do honor me but calling Liberation Theology "mine" because in fact, it is the "property" of the Catholic Church. Even though this current Pope made a name for himself years ago by violently trying to purge this movement world wide, that was started by a person who is known to us today as Jesus. And denouncing Flager seems not to be in keeping with what you say you represent? But perhaps we can find common ground with Cardinal Egan who did so much to call attention too and battle predatory lending in Illinois before he became Cardinal?

Olly McPherson

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:08:58 -0600

"There is a time and place for everything, including launching protests..." I remember people making the same argument when people were protesting downtown before the Iraq war was launched. Ultimately, it seems the "time and place" is "when it won't bother anyone and when no one will notice." I don't explicitly support the action taken during Mass, but it is refreshing to see that some people are sufficiently outraged by the slaughter in Iraq to take steps to shock the rest of us our of our complacency. The torture and murder that has taken place in our name is shameful. It's been all to easy for us to ignore it.

dan l

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:55:50 -0600

But please....Flager sure as shit ain't one of mine.

dan l

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:52:43 -0600

LOL. Go down to Mt. Greenwood and tell them about your "liberation theology". Poser.

Spook

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:44:17 -0600

Dan1 I think all of my conversation are deeply rooted in an important aspect of the Catholic faith called Liberation Theology rooted and carried out most aggressively-with courage- by the Jesuit order in third world countries and on an intellectual spiritual level by towering theologians like James H. Cone, or Miles Horton- who started the Highlander School- and not to mention Dr. Cornel West who aint a Cathloic, but certainly is a good Christain and of course on a locale level is Father Flager So perhaps you, Brotha Dan might need to consider getting a little deeper into your proclaimed faith instead of being so quick to judge?

Ward Up

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:37:15 -0600

I'm still wondering if the 18th district cops ever gave McLovin his inhaler.

celerysalt

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:29:48 -0600

you're right, spook. night is a great book. i'm just so glad oprah's book club finally convinced you to read it.

Spook

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:19:22 -0600

Ya gotta love you're Commentator for the Month of April, Spook! I'm so bad that I can even animate celery salt! Can I give celery salt the power to reason? Well, not yet. But stick around me celery salt old chum, and who knows what your future might hold? Or like the Fat Albert Cartoon song..... "Spooks gonna show you a thing or two...., your having fun now with Spook and all the gang, learning from each other, while we do our thannnnnng! Nah Nah Nah Nah Gonna have a good time! Hey Hey Hey!"

celerysalt

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:15:16 -0600

and a big PS - spook, if you think MLK would approve of an interruption to a worship service, particularly a worship service in celebration of the resurrection of Christian savior he gave praise and honor to for giving him his life, his strength, motivation, love and capacity for courage....well, you are seriously batshit crazy, my friend. it may be hard for someone as irreverent and disrespectful (have you apologized to Julie Porter yet?) to understand, but there is a time and place for everything, including launching protests. That's scripture, b*, so try and front on that.

dan l

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:14:28 -0600

LOL. This spook guy is as dumb as that biketard that was sniffing around a few weeks ago after his buddy got pwn3d in that illegal bike race. Spook, You're simply not getting it: A solid portion of Chicagoans are of the 2nd/3rd gen, went to catholic schools, and recognize "catholic" as being at the very least, a strong part of their culture. You're not going to convince these Chicagoans that it's somehow acceptable for jobless nerds have any legitimate business ruining others time of worship.

Spook

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:09:02 -0600

Well Fed, perhaps they won't go down in protest history as the "Chicago Six", but some thing tells me that in ten years they will be doing much more than the "pillow fighters" hipster or lincoln park crowd. And lets put this even more in perspective. It aint like they pulled a shot gun on and beat up some Filipino kids like a certain mayor's son did. And no Tilda I don't think they changed any minds and I don't think it was there intent too. But I know it sure made me think about my too comfortable a$s and how I could be working harder, smarter, etc. And it shows me another down fall with the lack of progressive adult leader rolls models which again makes me feel all the more guilty, as it should. I just hope the whole justice community- the American Friend Service Committee, Amnesty International types, etc, etc) are also re questioning their rolls and work And your comment about ", leftist being bad as the right-wing nuts" is liberal thinking because leftist put themselves at risk. Yea maybe not in the right ways all the time, but right wing nuts don't. And if you wanna be "self centered" you don't become a lefty, you move to Lincoln Park and enroll in B school I wish we had more leftist not less and I wish we had more leftist leadership instead of poverty pimps and lake front milktoasts

celerysalt

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:02:47 -0600

oh geezus. i just realized why spook is defending these dumbass "omniscient, evolved, courageous" freshmen. he is one of them. is there a more sophomoric tactic than quoting the readings from an 6th grade lit syllabus in support of political action? ohmigod....*yawn* congratulations, spook - you're a caricature. of course, your posts are so atrocious, one would find it hard to believe you EVER picked up a book written in the english language. if i wrote as embarrassingly bad as you do, i would have the good sense to stay away from a keyboard - especially when you're on these boards trying to prove how smart/evolved you are. half the time i can't even decipher your grammar - let alone your crap sophomoric arguments and insults.

matilda

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:45:50 -0600

Yes, Spook, I have read all your required reading, believe it or not. And these kids were not even going after prime, powerful people, but rather relatively uninfluential worshippers. Give me a fucking break with your MLK and other comparisons. You do make some interesting points, but here is the main point: Did these fucking stupid kids do more harm or good for the anti-war movements? Did they wake up America to the fact that Iraq is bullshit, or merely wake up America to the fact that spoiled leftist peformance artists can be assholes? Do you think they really changed any minds? At least MLK did with his letter. God, leftists are so fucking stupid and self-centered. They are as bad as the right-wing nuts in that their zeal usually overpowers their sense.

Spook

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:35:39 -0600

yes simple creature "If more people, young and old, raised their voices in protest, marched, voted, organized, engaged and challenged their civic leaders, there would come a change." But No body is doing the above. They are however having pillow fights. And you say that you "think they made peace protestors look crass"? Well due tell how the "peace protestors" looked before that? Tilda have you read Elise Wiesel,"Night" Where he talks about evil as those "good germans" who "silently stood by" or Hannah Arendt's "Banality of Evil" where she says "The sad truth is that most evil is done by people who never make up their minds to be good or evil" No, don't go putting me in Ardendt's camp because I dig one book she wrote, but don't you see its about the people who go to church every sunday but fail to act because it aint their kids dying? Because the military industry aint eating up money needed for their community-yet! Honestly sometimes I think you are trying to be popular instead of trying to be true to yourself. Unless I'm totally crazy, which might b true :-) But I have never heard you so furious at a bunch of well meaning kids. Heck I don't even say "F*ck them all" to republicans and liberals. And you know that it aint so black and white Tilda! Those kids never thought they were going to end the war, so why put that out as part of the conversation? p.s I'm sure all yall read MLK's "Letter from the Birmingham Jail" but have you read the letter form the clergymen who wrote him first?. I'm not equating the two but I do think some similarities exist... "We the undersigned clergymen issue "an appeal for law and order and common sense," in dealing with racial problems in Alabama........".

fed up

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:22:57 -0600

Spook I enjoy a good protest as much as the next guy, No Justice No peace, what do we want? Peace when do we want it now, the people united will never be defeated, hey bush we know you, your father was a killer too. I even understand your point that preplanned protests lose some of there meaning but, I think this was stupid the catholic church opposed the war. The cardinal met with Bush so these kids believe you should only talk to people you agree with that will get us far. Most likely the church will drop the charges or go with a plea deal that avoids the felon label. No, these kids shouldnt be condemened to a life time of flipping burgers a few hundred hours of community service for catholic charitites, two hail marys,and an hour in the confessional with Fr McCormick will do.

matilda

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:54:38 -0600

I have no respect for these stupid kids. They have offered fuel for the right-wing propaganda machine, and disturbed people who really had no direct tie to the continuance of these war. These protesters were stupid at the least, reckleslessly self-centered at the worst. They are naive and have no understanding, apparently, of political realties. What the fuck did they hope to accomplish? It is amazing: I am no fan of superstition and holidays built around superstition, but these dumb kids made me feel sorry for the worshippers. And make no mistake: The Iraq War is the dumbest thing this country has done in my lifetime, and perhaps the dumbest thing in 100 years, so it's not like I am defending the war. Bravery? My ass. These kids knew the worst that would happen is maybe they get roughed up a bit by the CPD. They knew this Easter service always gets media attention (hence, the choice of venue) and so they wouldn't be lynched. They chose easy and superficial confrontation over, say, something more daring: Infiltrate an foreign police club meeting, for instance, or burn some flags in the Loop on the weekday. They are wimps who wanted to act like martyrs. Their actions will not help their cause one bit. In fact, their actions likely will harm their cause--which, in a general way, is my cause as well (ending this war). They have failed. Fuck them all. They are worthless pieces of shit with inflated senses of self importance, more fond of meaningless performance art than real change made through more democratic ways. What they did will do NOTHING to end the war in a quicker manner. It will do NOTHING to win over people on the fence, or to change the minds of more civic leaders. Organized protest is one thing. Mob action directed at worshippers is quite another. And I suspect these assholes are finding out how tough and brave they are in jail. I hope this is clear, Spook.

simplecreature

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:54:11 -0600

Spook, how is splattering blood on people attending a religious service even a remotely political act? It's vandalism that engenders ill will among people who might otherwise support the call for peace. It's counter-productive. I believe in radical and peaceful action against the war. If more people, young and old, raised their voices in protest, marched, voted, organized, engaged and challenged their civic leaders, there would come a change. I don't hate these kids, but I think they made peace protestors look crass, rude and stupid rather than raise consciousness. Volume is not content Spook.

plumbum82

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:48:25 -0600

Dude, No, Tranny, Yes, Dude, and Hell No.

Spook

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:36:46 -0600

No tilda, I'm just saying it demonstrated that some Americans are actually really pissed and upset and willing to act on it. That's all as opposed to some what bothered. Check out some of the foreign press. Come on be honest. do you really hate these kids? Are you telling me that you have no respect for them? Especially in this city?? Don't make me paste some of your posts!

matilda

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:29:25 -0600

Spook says " I hope progressive thinking Chicagoans understand that (A) this protest generated greater global awareness than any of the "Abercrombie & Fitch Protests" downtown. Is the Spookster suggesting that until this protest, people were unaware of our little adventure in Iraq?

Spook

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:26:43 -0600

Yea mike thoms I also read crazy books, crazy news papers attended crazy universities to get crazy degrees and I have a crazy passport with crazy stamps from all over the crazy world. And my crazy good looks and rapier wit get me crazy noticed, not my postings on Chicagoist :-) But the fact that I tell crazy truths on Chicagoist is about me, not you, or any one else. But do tell us about you Mike Thoms? Tell us what you read? What were your last two crazy books? Yea I know you're gonna lie! Tell us where do you get your crazy truths from? And tell us about your crazy courage? Fed Up, I would hope that the Catholic Church drops the charges against these kids. I hope progressive thinking Chicagoans understand that (A) this protest generated greater global awareness than any of the "Abercrombie & Fitch Protests" downtown. Also this protest didn't costs the tax payers 4 million dollars in, city, county, and state police protection that also drained resources from at-risk-communities, the high ways and even the forest preserves. Yea Fed Up, I get the feeling( as opposed to your brother ward up) that you actually work with people, rendering some type of service. Not that a Spook would even think about "outing" some one because that's why we like Chicagoist right, because we get to be "anon" So do you really think these kids given the other types of kids that get our attention via Chicagoist deserve to flip burgers? And message to Donte Smith. Good Job bro and Thank You!. But enough protesting!. Yea, the way it should work is that you get arrested once or twice and then some one with a "clean record" picks up the torch and gets arrested and so on. Meanwhile you use the fact that you got "arrested" for standing up to injustice to get into a good Ph.D.. program or law school to continue; the fight, earn enough money to live well and support the revolution financially and with your leisure time. Don't risk it all on numerous arrests my friend. Yea I know too many young people( under 25) are not willing to spend a 8 hours in jail cell on a misdemeanor charge with their friends for a higher ideal any more, they would rather write their Senator and front like i this means something. But because they are cowards doesn't mean you need to sacrifice your self in such a frivolous way. One arrests is enough unless you get the charge dropped then two is o.k

groggy

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:23:37 -0600

@matty: remember the fake blood they threw? that might have done something to the pews, carpeting, floor, etc.

matty

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:48:55 -0600

A felony seems so overblown. Come on. What "Damage to property" occured?

fed up

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:08:10 -0600

5 of the 6 are being held on 25k bond only one Smith has a 35k bond because of his past conviction. Spook these six are going to be giving a shit about flipping burgers for the rest of there lives if they dont plea there way out of a felony conviction.

mike_thoms

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:54:37 -0600

Blogs aren't supposed to be objective...that's the whole point of blogs isn't it? Then they link you to objective news sources, like they did above and do on all stories, within the text of their blog. Based on my limited time here I can recognize Spook as one of those fake internet personalities who says crazy things all the time just to get people to notice him or her I guess.

Spook

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:44:41 -0600

And they said Devros was just an evil scientist! But I will raise you this as well Dr. Devros, not only do they give a shit, but they certainly did ( yes arguably misguided and ineffectual) more than any one else in Chicago has done except for the dude who set himself on fire, right when Bush started the war. exterminate exterminate, exterminate....dude you rocked in Dr. Who!

moldyorange

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:42:25 -0600

No, that's the fake blood, I think. And this is one of the more objectively written stories on Chicagoist. Much more objective than some of the stories posted yesterday and earlier today.

dayofthedaleks

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:32:49 -0600

Why post it? It's news. And it's local. I'd say that's fair game for Chicagoist. You may argue that the story wasn't written up so objectively, but that's just a risk of getting one's news from blogs. The dude third from the left looks like he took a few shots to the face. Were the cops terribly zealous taking these enemies of freedom down? This was arguably misguided and ineffectual, but it's nice to see there's still who give a shit.

mike_thoms

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:31:23 -0600

Idiots...Cardinal is against the war, the pope is against the war. most people, especially elected/public figures would gladly have lunch with a sitting president of the united states. hell I probably would and I can't stand the guy. it's the GD president. you don't get many opportunities to meet the president.

Spook

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:26:09 -0600

I'm not saying you are wrong, to post this, but still

Spook

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:24:40 -0600

Margaret, why do you do this?