Chicagoist: Oh-Eee-Oh: Canseco Says He Injected Magglio Ordoñez With Steroids

tc3

Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:50:45 -0600

And steroids DO NOT help you hit a ball farther. It would turn a warning track shot into a home run, but it totally wouldn't help you make contact. You'd have to do that on your own. You just made both those points in the same post. Which do you believe? Because they totally contradict each other. Last time I checked, a home run was farther than the warning track.

mofoloco

Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:59:54 -0600

that was no needle in the butt ... Good one, jimbo.

plumbum82

Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:05:55 -0600

McGwire was (as far as we know) legal. And honestly, if someone said "Hey, put your long term health at risk and we'll give you 43 million dollars over 12 years and loads of fame" I would risk a lot. And steroids DO NOT help you hit a ball farther. And eye-hand coordination is something that is developed in the nervous system, not the muscles. When you lift weights and work out to exhaustion you damage muscle cells. That's why when you lift you're supposed to take a day off to let your body recover. But when you juice, you can lift as often as you like and cells bounce back faster. So, if I were to just roid up and sit around playing Xbox, I'd get flabby man boobs, my testicles would shrink, and I'd be angry all the time. (Wait a second...) The drugs aren't magic "hulk out" juice. You need to work out constantly for the steroids to work, and even then you'd just get some extra pop in your swing. It would turn a warning track shot into a home run, but it totally wouldn't help you make contact. You'd have to do that on your own.

jimbo

Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:50:16 -0600

plum, were any of them (maybe with the exception of rick ankiel) taking them legally? do you think that the 5% or whatever the number is of high school athletes that admit taking them, are taking them legally?

matilda

Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:19:05 -0600

I would think that a "body's ability to recover" is part of the athletic contest: those with better genes, or cleaner lives, or better work ethics, would have an advantage in this area, and tend to win more. I agree. The public seems to have spoken, but I think part of this is that American society tolerates cheating more so than in the past. I can only speak for myself, but one of the attractions I have to sports is the idealist thought that these are athletes, not chemically-enhanced creatures.

tc3

Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:13:22 -0600

@plumbum: While I agree that the public cares far less about steroids than talking heads on TV and in print wish they would, to suggest that steroids won't help someone hit a ball is incorrect. They help with bat speed and hand-eye coordination, and would make for a significant bump in batting average.

plumbum82

Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:00:56 -0600

@jimbo: HGH is legal. So was Andro. And if steriods was really ruining baseball, wouldn't it be reflected in the ticket sales and ratings?

jimbo

Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:52:23 -0600

It wasn't against the rules until very recently, and even so it was against the law, hence the problem. i doubt turning baseball clubhouses into methlabs is in the rule book, but i'd imagine that would get some attention as well.

Ward Up

Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:32:56 -0600

In this book, Teflon Sammy, AKA the "instant Michelin Man," escapes scrutiny again. Sadly, one day the Cubs will put a heavily-muscled statue of him outside of Wrigley Field.

jmagic

Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:20:22 -0600

"A few days later, we went into the back room in the clubhouse, and I jabbed a needle into his butt. ‘Ow,' he said. ‘That hurt.' ‘You'll get used to it,' I said." that was no needle in the butt ...

plumbum82

Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:52:51 -0600

Why does baseball need to be "saved"? The only people who seem to really get upset about steroids are: - Old timey nostalgia fetishists. - Stat Geeks. (see above) - Congress. - Sportswriters needing something to write about before a deadline. - Idiots who will listen to anything sportwriters and/or congress tells them. Everyone else seems to have greeted the whole "scandal" with a huge collective yawn. These people make a living with their bodies. And their bodies ability to recover (exactly what steroids and HGH helps with) is a tool for that purpose. It wasn't against the rules until very recently, and even so... I could use 'roids to get ripped as hell, I still need to be able to hit the ball. A .300 hitter is a .300 hitter. Drugs or no drugs.