Chicagoist: Two Charged in Student's Death

fed up

Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:05:49 -0600

They shouldnt have shot and killed someone Spav. Now they will spend the next 15-20 years thinking about it.

Spav1

Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:43:30 -0600

Um, at seventeen you can't vote, which means you can't be on a jury which means you can't have a jury of your peers which you are CONSTITUTIONALLY entitled to. Unless you are 18, you shouldn't be tried as an adult.

UTV

Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:29:23 -0600

As much as guns are a central part of all of this, I gotta say that we need to look at the culture of violence and decay that leads to this kind of tragedy. Things need to change.

Spook

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:26:00 -0600

Word, Kevin, fucking Tremendous

Kevin Robinson

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:31:13 -0600

Other kids made fun of him because he was just a big, goofy kid who liked to draw. What a tremendous waste.

Spook

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:08:54 -0600

Fed Up, You would be surprise at the amount about personal responsibility. I also think some very very greedy people who lack morals and humanistic traditions make a lot of money and retain lots of undeserved power because good people are afraid to question and challenged learned but untruthful myopic views and refuse to let go of mendacious paradigm projected by the mainstream power structure that end become a "crutch" for our "stability", just like religion. This is why I make it a point to read widely and heavily even when I don't feel like it, because its the only way I find life worth living. p.s I am also very dubious of those who call themselves well adjusted in this society

fed up

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:10:15 -0600

spook have you given any thought that the two offenders might be responsible for thier actions yet?

fed up

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:54:32 -0600

Spav, In Il. you are an adult at 17, no matter what the charge these are adults you do the crime you do the time.

Ward Up

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:24:36 -0600

On the subject of high schools in the CPS system, For those who enjoy movies shot in Chicago, the movie "Cooley High" will be shown on Turner Classic Movies (TCM) tonight at 9:15 PM. The movie was shot in 1975, but the story takes place in the 1960's. There are plenty of scenes of the Cabrini-Green area, with one of the main characters living in the Cabrini Row Houses, which are still there. The bar that is the neighborhood hangout in the movie stood until just a few years ago. Located at the northwest corner of Elm and Larrabee, the site of the bar is now part of the grounds of the 18th District police station. Edwin G. Cooley High itself (yes, it was a real high school) stood until the late 1980's on north side of Division Street at the end of Orleans.

Spook

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:09:35 -0600

hey Petey, if you are speaking with respect to my comments I did not joke about prison rape. With the rest of your comments I do agree.

peteypants

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:45:22 -0600

this is so tragic how our communities can be so third world sometimes. hearing innocent students say how they fear going to school is especially heartbreaking. the causes and solutions are complicated, but everyone should at least be aware of what's going on outside their own neighborhood. and prison rape is no laughing matter. i should know after doing a nickel for being caught with those small plastic baggies.

Spook

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:06:55 -0600

Wes Sabi I don't quite no what to say except thanks for putting a human face on this tragedy. Not that it matters to this crowd. And I guess "thanks" isn't the right word either. I hope that its fiting to say thank you to your wife for her service. I'm sure she is in CPS teaching by choice numerous big and small goofy kid who like to draw but also get born into war savage zones due to no fault of their own, while clueless people point the finger at them instead of examining our own culpability and duplicity in the hopelessness, violence and despair that thrive in these schools and communities.

Spav1

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:05:07 -0600

I strenuously disagree with children being charged as adults no matter what the crime.

fed up

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:34:00 -0600

Spook have you given any thought to blaiming the 17 year old and 19 year old or maybe blaiming thier parents or thier rev. This is bullshit how about free will. They chose to go and kill someone. They are to blame.

Ward Up

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:34:31 -0600

Hmmmm, "...create some housing." Maybe some of it can be in Reverend Wright's mansion in Tinley Park.

jimbo

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:13:47 -0600

yup spook, it's daley's fault that social program after social program has created the environment that these kids were in. let's just throw some more money their way to create some housing, so kids like these could learn some responsibility. that plan seems to have worked well, hasn't it?

Wes Sabi

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:13:30 -0600

My wife taught Roland Little for two years. Other kids made fun of him because he was just a big, goofy kid who liked to draw.

Spook

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:01:23 -0600

This is where I'm just plain nuts to wonder how many more dead bodies is it gonna take for some real conversations to occur about what's going on with these kids? And Simeon at least has a decent principal who by the way is actually the person who made the original comment about the "suicide missions”. On the other hand Duncan is clueless at best because the gangs will protect its members from being raped in jail At worst, Duncan is a bold face liar because everybody who pays attention to the escalating violence in communities of color understands that the problem is that Daley in a rush to ethnical and economically cleanses this city knocked down CHA housing with no suitable replacement housing, or a strategy for dealing with the violence that lots of people predicted. No to mention the homelessness. The same violence that occurs when he closed down Englewood High School. Rival gang get pushed into the same territory where police tactics possibly including staff levels are not working. And it aint even summer yet!

jimbo

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:49:53 -0600

ya it is quite the quote, but its premise is 100% on the spot.

magilla gorilla

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:44:29 -0600

that's quite a quote from duncan