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The accusations that members of the 1919 White Sox squad took money in return for throwing the World Series are well documented. Eight players -- including Shoeless Joe Jackson -- were banned forever from baseball, while eventually acquitted of criminal charges. Many a Sox fan blamed this for their team's own difficulties in winning a World Series -- until 2005.
Within a collection of Black Sox documents purchased by the Chicago History Museum in December is an affidavit given by Eddie Cicotte to the 1920 Cook County grand jury that claims the Cubs influenced the White Sox's throwing of the 1919 World Series. According to the document, White Sox players believed that the Cubs had thrown the 1918 World Series and discussed how to undertake a similar plot.
So did the Cubs really throw the 1918 World Series? In addition to Chicotte's testimony, documents like the diary of Charles Comiskey's righthand man, Harry Grabiner, also indicate that the 1918 World Series was fixed. And baseball columnist Hugh Fullerton, who eventually made public baseball's rampant gambling problem, also suggested that something was afoul in his accounts of those 1918 games. After all, with an 84-45 record that season, failing to win the World Series seems like a pretty epic collapse. Even for the Cubs.
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Every guy I know chokes up at the end of Field of Dreams when Costner plays catch with Ray Liotta as his Dad. What's up with that?
One more reason for the White Sox fans to hate the Cubs and their fans. So not only are we the more popular club in town, we're apparently better cheaters as well...
It seems like a lot of baseball was fixed back then so it's not surprising. but yes the cubs are better at cheating...WOO!
Every guy I know chokes up at the end of Field of Dreams when Costner plays catch with Ray Liotta as his Dad. What's up with that?
For some of us, it appeals to our father abandonment issues. (sniffle) Thanks for reminding me, Spav...
I don't have father abandonment issues but it always gets me. I think sports movies in general "get" guys like that...Natural, Hoosiers, Brian's Song of course.
fucking cheaters.
if they'd known how the rest of the century would turn out, maybe they would have changed their minds...
This story kills me: Do I argue that the Cubs aren't cheaters? That seems to morph into a "no really, we just sucked" argument.
some of us grrls also get choked up by the sports movies, too. although, i've never seen field of dreams all the way through.
Best Kevin Costner sport movie is Tin Cup. Totally underrated.
I had a BF that literally SOBBED at Rudy. I never got it.
I would be remiss if I didn't take this opportunity to proclaim my almost supernaturally intense hatred for the Chicago Cubs: the most incredibly pathetic ballclub of all time, with the most ugly and obnxious fans of all time.
I'm so excited we've entered the season of puke on the Red Line again. Also, those "Horry Kow" t-shirts are pure class. I saw three already this season.
I hope all you fans have a great time wasting your money at the world largest urinal trough watching the parade of suck again this year.
It's nice to note that the final game of that series was delayed due to a money issue for the players. http://www.baseball-almanac.com/ws/yr1918ws.shtml
I choke up at the end of Field of Dreams only as a result of the torture endured to make me watch that piece of crap.
That's the spirit, celerysalt! Spoken with the level of vitriol that only a true Sox fan could spew! We feed off of it...
i could care less about the sox, pinko.
this has nothing to do with rivalry. it has everything to do with cubs fans acting like spoiled drunken brats on my commute home, and deserving (living up to) everything i just said.
go ahead - feed off of it. just expect to get kicked in the crotch when you're puking it back up on the red line. whoops! did i do that?
Smussy: I cry when I watch the end of "Field of Dreams" alone or I need to walk out of the room so I don't see the end of the movie and look like a big crybaby in front of my boyfriend. That and the end of "Hoosiers" gets me every single time. (I also cried when Brett Favre retired, but that's a whole other story...maybe someday "The Brett Favre Story" will make it on Lifetime or ESPN or something, and I will probably cry as well).
this has nothing to do with rivalry. it has everything to do with cubs fans acting like spoiled drunken brats...
Fair enough, but you can excuse me for thinking otherwise when you also said:
I would be remiss if I didn't take this opportunity to proclaim my almost supernaturally intense hatred for the Chicago Cubs: the most incredibly pathetic ballclub of all time...
Sounded to me like it was about more than just the fans. At any rate, you won't have to worry about me puking on you on the red line (wouldn't want to take away from the ubiquitous stench of urine, right?)...
I typically ride the brown line north of Belmont, live only a mile from the park anyway, and left my best drinking days behind me years ago (never was much of a puker). So just be careful about where you aim that kick...
pinko, forgive me. it's just that the thought of facing another summer of piss, vomit and sexual harassment that comes with having to board trains full of fans that will sell out a stadium regardless of how bad their team sucks (for an excuse to drink like the eternal frat boys and sorority girls they all are) makes me sick. trying to understand this phenomenon, my hatred spilled on to the team itself.
as a matter of fact, i think the cubs lack of winning has made the fans feel like they are excused. it's like people are tossing back a cold one for every year they've missed a pennant. And the "woe is me" cub fan refrain makes for a pretty effortless conversation starter with the drunken Trixie whose pants you're hoping to get into. It's been tried on me, and let me tell you - sober, you guys sound like idiots.
I went to a game once at the invitation of a friend. You guys booed your own team. That's all I needed to know.
Anyway, if you are a well bahved fan, thanks. It makes you a prince among Chads. And I promise not to kick you in the crotch.
oh, the sox are crap too, if it makes you feel better.
crabby, crabby.
If you're only a fan of a team when they're winning, you're a fair-weather fan or a bandwagon jumper. If you support a team with no question, you're just a frat boy who only wants to drink beer at the ballpark. Right?
Could you please tell me, as a Cubs fan for as long as I can remember, where exactly I fit into this?
If I said that all women were crap drivers, because I see several all of the time, you'd probably kick me in the balls.
"Reserving judgements is a matter of infinite hope." Anyone?Anyone?
Sorry, guess it's the English teacher in me!
hey jeremy - sorry you're getting all caught up in the wave of hate here, but just get your buddies under control and we'll be cool.