Chicagoist: Republican Response: Jindal on America

dopplerd

Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:56:53 -0600

Of the 3.8 Billion offered to LA, Jindal accepted 3.71 billion. Apparently Republican principles amount to little more than a rounding error.

Marcus Gilmer

Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:36:19 -0600

@Navin - or the Ronald Madison story. Or countless others. Jindal should have just stayed far far away from any Katrina reference.

Marcus Gilmer

Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:34:15 -0600

Yep, that's it! You caught me again, spreading my liberal agenda everywhere I go! Dang!

Navin

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:12:26 -0600

Take the SEC for example... they had been warned for years about Bernie Madoff and they did practically nothing to look into these claims. Or, how about the FDA that had been warned about Peanut Corp. of America and sat on their hands. I guess it's probably easier for you guys to blame on this on the Bush admin, but clearly more regulation and worthless bureaucrats aren't the answer to our ills. Uh, SEC was headed by Christopher Cox and appointed by BUSH. A free market ideologue who believed in, yep you guessed it: the less regulation the better. Greenspan/Bush, Paulson/Bush and so on. Head of the FDA was appointed by Bush in 2005, his predecessor also Bush appointee who had to resign after falsifying info regarding stock he owned in food, medical and drug companies (who he's supposed to regulate lol!), Before him? Bush appointee as well, and a fucking economist. Sooooo....got any idea at all what you're talking about?

kgvs72

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:21:31 -0600

"The strength of America is not founded on government. It is found in the spirit of compassionate hearts and enterprising citizens." - Bobby Jindal Whoever believes this bullsh*t, has very bad taste. What the democrats have done by passing this bill is irresponsible. The past eight years has been irresponsible/criminal behavior.

Tim1979

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:20:46 -0600

My guess is that if Governor Jindal were a liberal Democrat, you'd describe him simply as Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana. I'm still convinced that in some ways, this is the other side of the Hussein coin, difficult as that may be for some on this board to contemplate. We'll just have to agree to disagree, I guess.

mrarey2008

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:45:49 -0600

Your argument is excellent and yet completely contradictory. The warnings about Madoff and Contaminated food, those came under what administration? Which administration chose the former head of the Arabian Horse Association to act as head of FEMA? A position that was, until then, not a political appointment? Which administration silenced mainstream scientists and used beauracratic muscle to stifle critics of it's energy policy? Which administration would not release documents about its energy policy meetings with Oil executives? Which administration has mired us in two wars and spent us into a massive federal debt in the process? I hardly think Obama is "the chosen one" but assessing blame for the Bush administration calamitous actions over 8 years, which will leave an impact for decades to come, is hardly the same as the pundits on the right screaming for tea parties and rebellion before Obama has even unpacked.

jmagic

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:42:20 -0600

exactly is what he's saying ... he's for conservation, but he's also for drilling for oil in wetlands and the Arctic Circle. he's for wind power, but against building wind turbines because they're ugly. we should become less dependent on oil, but mass transit is a fucking bad idea. the smartest dumbass in the room.

Navin

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:38:43 -0600

It's weird that Jindal didn't tell the story about the Gretna sheriff who ordered cops to shoot at bridge crossing victims trying to escape a natural disaster to higher ground.

Sinep

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:50:10 -0600

There's plenty of regulatory oversight, it's just that the agencies tasked with the overseeing are so dysfunctional that they couldn't direct traffic down a one way street. Take the SEC for example... they had been warned for years about Bernie Madoff and they did practically nothing to look into these claims. Or, how about the FDA that had been warned about Peanut Corp. of America and sat on their hands. I guess it's probably easier for you guys to blame on this on the Bush admin, but clearly more regulation and worthless bureaucrats aren't the answer to our ills.

Ingrid

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:14:37 -0600

McCain is in his 70's and has been in politics for a lot longer than Obama...so he's been around the block 30 or 40 times more than Obama. He knows Washington a tad more than Obama at this point. I wouldn't exactly call it a 'rookie mistake' if he had done it. Obama has gone out of his way to walk across the aisle, maybe that was naive. But to me it shows a lot of backbone and for that...yes...I can say with a straight face that if McCain had won and screwed up 3 cabinet nominations I would have come down way harder on him. But then again, the biggest screw up for choice was McCain picking Palin as a running mate. That equals about 50 bad choices for Obama.

Rob Christopher

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:07:38 -0600

Hear hear!

Stealth

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:00:22 -0600

Have to agree with Ingrid on the point about whole "chosen one" thing. The only people who ever express the view that Obama is supposed to solve everything magically are the ones who didn't vote for him. I've never heard any of his supporters say they expect him to solve all of the nations problems. Guess it's easier to knock someone town if you push them way up there...

mrarey2008

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:53:44 -0600

I think Obama has made some missteps. Considering the scale of the mess he inhereted I'm willing to give him some leeway, and it seems from the polls the American people are too. With his appointments, part of the fracas has been the Obama administrations insistence on a far more rigid ethical line. Bill Richardson is a fine candidate for any position, but even the appearance of impropriety sent him off. Compared to the rabble more of vile confederates the Bush administration had roaming the halls, I'll take a more stringent process. And to your point, I think the GOP does itself a great disservice by letting gabbers like Limbaugh, Hannity and Malkin feed talking points to the leadership. Terms like "generational theft" find their origin in the muddy waters of talk radio. Hearing Jindal parrot the words of baseball commentators and idealogues would leave William F. Buckley spinning in his grave.

Sears Tower

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:42:48 -0600

Oh come on Ingrid. Can you say with a straight face that if McCain had won and screwed up three cabinet nominations, you would have chalked it up to "a few rookie mistakes"? Did you say the same for Bush's early miscues? If you can, I can appreciate your comments. Otherwise, you lecture on getting over partisanship is much like many other posters on here who think if you insult Obama you are a GOP loving racist who hates everything. Nowhere have I praised the GOP, and deservedly so. Alright, now I really have to go to sleep. Good day.

BlueFairlane

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:41:15 -0600

Wow. I am stunned by your cogent argument.

Sears Tower

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:33:21 -0600

Like I would waste my time watching either speech. It's not like we don't know where both parties stand already. Read the whole comment and you would see it relates to the excitement of the posters having a new GOP person to insult and not wanting to acknowledge Obama mistakes (yet). It is interesting too how Chicago is overwhelmingly Democratic given the rather underwhelming leadership their party has given the city/state (Daley II, Stroger I/II, Blago, Burris, Beavers, JJ Jr., etc...). Could it be they don't care about Chicago because they have no chance of losing elections? (Hint: YES). Alright. I have to go to sleep, but we can internet fight tomorrow, or have a Nintendo fight to see who can get Mario to the highest level.

Ingrid

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:31:00 -0600

It's not difficult for me at all. He's new at the job, of course he's going to make a few rookie mistakes. Who wouldn't? Do you think if McCain had won everything would be honky dory right now? You all really need to lay off the 'chosen one' moniker too because nobody I know who voted for Obama thinks of him that way. That's a right wing media smoke screen meant to denigrate and divide. Nobody believes that and it's really starting to get old. If you don't see an honest, earnest, intelligent man trying to do the best in a bad situation than nothing is going to get you over your partisanship. In your eyes, nothig Obama does is going to be good enough anyway...if the economy improves, you're going to say that it would have improved on its own anyway. If it doesn't improve, then you're going to blame it on him. Way to go.

mss2400

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:25:41 -0600

I hate to say this, but the best "plan" for the Republicans to regain control of the government will be to stand on the sidelines. The "people" spoke loudly in the last election and I am convinced that the Republicans should voice firm opposition but not stand in the way. Obama's "new" new deal will inevitably fail, leaving us with a plethora of new problems on top of what we are already suffering. There's a lot of pain on the way....

BlueFairlane

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:22:11 -0600

So, Sears Tower. What did you like about Mr. Jindal's speech? How would you disagree with the other assessments?

Sears Tower

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:16:20 -0600

Wow, all of you are really happy to have a Republican to insult for the first time in a month. You had it too good for too long with Bush/Cheney giving you fresh material on at least a twice weekly basis. I for one am looking forward to seeing how long people blame the GOP for all the world's ills as they shrink further in power. It must be really difficult to watch Obama make mistakes and have to explain them away because you can't bear the thought of your chosen one not making the world perfect with a mere wave of his hand.

Marcus Gilmer

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:03:53 -0600

@stealth - Sounds right from what I heard. Still makes sense that he chose it. No way he gets half the votes he did using his given name, I think. The Louisiana ballots are amazing for the number of candidates who include their nickname on the ballot.

mrarey2008

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:55:15 -0600

I would rather hear how dire the situation is than have someone tell me that everything will be fine and all this water is just a leak from the overflowing sinks in steerage and isn't that iceberg just lovely in the Atlantic starlight? The complete lack of oversight gave us this awful mess. While I'm not a fan of a gigantic government beauracracy, even Alan Greenspan has conceded that the lack of regulatory oversight was in error. If an adherent of Milton Friedman is arguing that, something has gone awry. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/business/economy/24panel.html?ref=business

Stealth

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:41:23 -0600

His story about how he saved all of those lives during Hurricane Katrina was interesting, especialy when he blamed "bureaucrats" for delaying the rescue boats, carefully omitting that some of those "bureaucrats" were Bush and Brownie. Oh, and his bit about how the Republicans "went along" with "wasteful spending" the past eight years was comedy gold too.

Sinep

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:33:22 -0600

"And if one listened very carefully, they would have heard beneath the rhetoric a dark vision for America". You're kidding right? Every time THE ONE opens his mouth since this summer he's got some apocalyptic prophecy for this county unless we embrace government control of everything...

Stealth

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:33:03 -0600

I believe in a recent Esquire article he claimed he chose the name Bobby when he was a kid.

Stealth

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:31:10 -0600

If nothing else it means more work for Fred Armisen and/or Chris Kattan.

mikely1

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:28:23 -0600

Here ya go Dopplerd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Oj6CCzbPQ

mrarey2008

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:25:44 -0600

I am applauding at my desk. I believe he will have to make the same argument as Superman, that he was the last son of a dying economy and his mother was a rocketship or something. The man doesn't accept evolution. He can make it work.

JD84

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:17:27 -0600

He’s completely anti-abortion, even in cases of rape or incest, getting a 100% rating from the National Right to Life Committee. He is completely opposed to gay rights, earning a 0% rating from the Human Rights Campaign. Americans United for Separation of Church and State give him a 0% rating… Oh and he’s also attended an exorcism… Meaning he believes people can be possessed by the devil.

BlueFairlane

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:16:52 -0600

But does he pay his taxes?

mrarey2008

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:11:10 -0600

I actually appreciated it as I thought his given name was Robert. I had Indian friends growing up whose parents had converted to Christianity. They changed their last name to Thomas and named the children "George" and "Mary". I assumed it was something similar for Jindal.

mrarey2008

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:03:07 -0600

Thank you for that link about the Sheriff. Between this and all the fracases Sarah Palin found herself in, I don't think anyone is doing vetting for Republicans anymore. A good thing for comedy, bad for the party. The New Orleans streetcar lines are some of the most oldest public transit lines in the US. They're also a huge tourism boon. But I suppose they're just a big waste of money.

Not_another_username

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:58:55 -0600

Wait a minute--if Bobby was already a person before he came to America (this is what Republicans believe, you know--look at North Dakota) then he shouldn't be eligible to be President.

dopplerd

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:58:43 -0600

Since there is no ruthless dictator/alleged terrorist supporter named Piyush I don't see this as the same thing. Obama has never changed his name to give the perception that his history does not include immigrants. GOPers used the Hussein thing to insinuate secret Muslim and terrorist ties. Bobby choosing to go by Bobby seems to be more of someone attempting to deny their heritage not embrace it as Obama has done.

Marcus Gilmer

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:58:39 -0600

Actually, Tim, as editor, I added his full name. Not to make any kind of commentary, but just for the purpose of facts. We don't call Barack "Barry," plus Piyush is Jindal's given first name, not a middle name such as "Hussein" is with Obama. We weren't "going out of our way" for anything, just using his full name. Louisiana allows anyone who qualifies for the ballot to also use a nickname. Jindal used the "Bobby" nickname to obviously downplay his ethnicity for voters in the state. Which, having lived there myself and been there for three of his runs for office, is a smart play, especially when trying to court the more conservative voters who live outside of New Orleans.

Tim1979

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:46:09 -0600

I thought Jindal's speech was milquetoast at best, lame and borderline condescending at worst. But what's up with Kevin Robinson going out of his way to use "Piyush"---when Jindal himself typically does not use it? Reminds me of how some in the GOP used "Hussein" against Obama.

chicubs

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:43:48 -0600

+1 I thought the same exact thing, he didn't come across as sincere or charismatic, he just sounded like someone reading off of a teleprompter. Also, the thing about volcano monitoring made no sense, umm Gov., if one of those things erupts and we aren't prepared, it will be worse then Katrina.

Slaphappy

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:36:22 -0600

High speed rail projects are wasteful spending? Are you fucking kidding me?!

mrarey2008

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:32:31 -0600

I would like Governor Jindal to find me a doctor, outside of Mayberry, who works on an "installment plan" for child delivery. I call shenanigans on that story. As well as the boat story. During Katrina Navy and Coast Guard pilots flew 18-24 hour shifts, breaking regulations to do so, to save people trapped by the floods and transport the ill. I know some of those pilots, trust me, A "beauracrat" telling them to do anything but help people in need would have been laughed at or tied up and gagged. Jindal raises my hackles like few politicians can. Partly because the Republican party has been so fevered to shove him out in front of the camera as their "brown guy" and partly because someone who isn't even 40 espousing such bilious hard right rhetoric indicates to me a serious lack of cultural awareness.

JD84

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:29:08 -0600

Sheriff Lee "It was a curious, even provocative choice: Lee, a colorful 300-lb. Chinese-American lawman was repeatedly accused of racially profiling blacks in the predominantly white parish he dominated prior to his death in Oct. 2007." http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0209/Jindal_praises_raceprofiling_lawman.html oh and Bobby Jindal, I'm just going to let Hemant Mehta take care of that one here:http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/12/11/intelligent-design-supporter-bobby-jindal-is-not-running-for-president-in-2012/

cookie66

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:24:48 -0600

listening to this guy was, i swear, like listening to kenneth from 30 rock. awful, awful speaker.

dopplerd

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:20:34 -0600

I wish I had the stomach to make it through the response to see Brooks comment on it. I was so livid listening to this guy spew his bull shit Republican ideology that I turned it off and went for a walk. Is this seriously what the Republicans are thinking. It will be interesting to see how much of this horrible debt inducing stimulus Bobby Two-Face grabs for Louisiana. Or will he stick to his guns and send the check back to Washington to pay down then national debt and allow more tax cuts (40% of the stimulus by the way).

Rob Christopher

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:18:54 -0600

Jindal/Palin in 2012 will be comedy gold, no doubt about it.

ophmarketing

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:18:25 -0600

Whether Americans can get on board with less government regulation...at this point in history seems like a long shot Well, of course they will! Why, look at how perfectly everything worked out when we loosened regulatory oversight on the banks and mortgage lenders! "Piyush Jindal: We've Got a Black Guy With a Funny Name, Too."

three

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:15:22 -0600

so he wants to keep energy prices down, but he's against mass transit?

mikely1

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:12:07 -0600

David Brooks almost went into a rage over this. It was pretty interetsing to watch. Mark Shields was like, "down boy!"