DeRo and Kot Become Foodies For One Night

Yeah, that's exactly what was said.

Matilda, you are completely full of shit...but I enjoy your show.

In one post a couple days ago you claim, "I don't follow pop culture".

Now you are giving your opinion on the status of rock, aka Pop Culture.

Thanks for the laugh, my Court Jester. I enjoyed you once again.

I don't follow enough pop culture to make obscure and regular references to sitcom scripts, if that's what you mean (look at the context in that thread if you wish). Thanks for playing, though. Come back for the bonus round later for a chance to win some conditioner and shampoo.

Complaining about the complainers is so Britney Spears. At least you didn't call me a "hater."

And punk rock was overated crap, too.

In case you missed it, though, my point was about the absurdity of pairing rock with an expensive gourmet dinner, further proof the musical genre is no better than crusted-over horse shit when it comes to verve and integrity and meaning. Rock is basically the modern form of elevator music at this point.

Ingrid: The times changed around 1970 or so for the most part.

Anyway, I hope they raise loads of cash. It is an interesting show, after all, hosted by two very smart, entertaining and hard-working people with deep knowledge and insight about their subject/beats. But it's not rock.

No one has called you a hater today? Allow me to fix that for you:

You are a hater.

Wonderful use of the full range of the English language, Matty. Glad you could step up and contribute.

Centuries of development and you use a word fit for an 8-year-old girl who had her dolls taken away by her mean, mean parents.

But why waste words when hater is so...apt?

But "hater" is hardly apt, unless you really think I go around hating trivial things. There are dozens of other words that are better. See, you still don't get it. You do know what "hate" means, right?

Since I am a hater in this instance, does that make you a "lover," then?

Does the term "ad nauseum" mean anything to you?

Does it to you?

Funny you mention class. Rock originally was designed to appeal/speak to, generally, the lower classes--not only economically, but those far outside the rings of powers, whether politically or artistically.

Now, with this event, we seek the idea of rock once again bastardized, in that rock is attached to an event designed to appeal to the relative upper classes, those with enough idle cash to burn on gourmet food and wine pairings (even if the cause seems decent).

Ok, now you're just boring me.

I'd rather work now.

Of course you are bored. You don't have some superficial quip to toss out.

I agree with everything but lovable, Tom.

I do think an interesting thing happened with rock/pop music starting in about 1990 or so, in that in many ways at least one segment of it stopped evolving. I have no idea why, but much of the music my children listen to can be played side-by-side with the music I listened to and sound as if it came from the same album. The Decemberists and REM are essentially the same thing with a very similar sound.

That doesn't hold true across all segments of rock/pop, though. Tankboy posts plenty of stuff here that sounds completely foreign to me, and the fans of these artists likely would sneer at my Pearl Jam tapes. (What's a tape, they'd say.)

As for the purity of artists, I think that in many cases, the kids are no less likely to come to it idealistically than they were in the beginning, just as I believe they're no more likely to be corrupted by the money. I mean, sure, Clapton was God, but he also was a contemporary of the Monkees.

You know, there are songs that the Monkees did that were really not so bad. You just never heard them on the radio.

All I can say to the whippersnappers of today is, someday very soon, your songs are going to start getting airplay on the Oldies station too!

Isn't it just too weird to think that Pearl Jam would be considered something to sneer at? LOL

And I do have to say that a lot of the music that Tankboy puts up on here is stuff that I wouldn't go out and buy, but I'd listen to it here or on the radio AND enjoy it...which is much more than I can say about my parents and people of their generation who never gave their kids' music a chance, you know what I'm saying?

There were some not-bad Monkees songs, yes, but look at how they came about and compare that to the fake, fame-grubbing aspiration of American Idol. They were an assembled group, conceived in the mind of a television producer hoping to tap into Beatlemania and cast via audition tapes. There was nothing "pure" about them or their motives. They were the original boy band.

And yeah, sometimes I make the mistake of doing math with the release dates of albums I still think are so fresh and edgy, and I far too often come up with a two-digit number starting with a two. Most of the albums of my youth are old enough to drink.

Oh, I don't know...I think that Mike Nesmith had pure motives. He was a talented musician who really resented the whole fabrication thing. I think he really wanted to take the group further than what the corporation would let him..at least that's the feeling I got when I watched a documentary about them.

I agree on Mike Nesmith ... I don't think he realized just what he was signing onto. But I think there have been people caught up in the American Idol thing who have felt much the same way.

I still think the soundtrack to Head is some of The Monkees' strongest work ... and proof they weren't just the pre-fabbed four.

When I was a kid, my parents had a old pillow with stains. It didn't do much except take up space on the couch. It never moved or did anything that made anyone think about anything at all. Hell, we never much thought about it beyond the comfort it provided to my grandpappy's butt, still peppered with mortar scraps from the great world war two. The pillow's name, oddly enough--and man, the world really is small--was mikely1.

Twilight Zone stuff, dude.

Dear GOD:

It's just good fun, seriously.

And insult comedy--not that this rises anywhere near the level of Don Rickles or a fine roast--has long been an "adult" activity.

Well, my apologies for missing the winking and nudging. There didn't seem to be any, just a couple of crankypants griping at each other. :)

Jdole. Not a bad idea. Or even better: Let people come dressed as they THINK the other posters look and speak as they THINK the poster sounds.

I'm off to get my Spook costume ready: black beret and black leather gloves. (!)

Many people are heavily exposed to cars too, and many are emotionally attached to cars. They don't consider it a craft, but a passion.

yeah, I kinda wanted to highlight the word "expert" because I know that most people wouldn't consider themselves music experts, but I used that just to describe the way people talk about it as compared to other things. Cars was just one throwaway comparison I thought of on the spur of the moment.

Maybe a more apt comparison would be movies. The average movie debate consits of "I liked it" or "I hated it". I think movies elicit as much of a emotional reaction as music, but people don't get into the nuts and bolts like music. they don't talk about how this director is a derivative of this director, etc. They keep it simple for the most part. Only the "experts" get into that stuff. But when the subject is music...

I know what you're saying, which is why I usually don't get into conversations about music because the "experts" get really techy about the subject :)

But, really..what it all boils down to is what you like personally. The only thing you can really be an expert on is the history of it (unless you're a musician and you actually play it...but that's different).

There ya go! That's what I was trying to say: techy. More people get more techy about music than any other category I can think of. Talk about movies on a thread like this and there's no REAL discussion of cinamagraphic techniques, comparing one cameraman's work to another or continuinty of themes between this directory and that director. It's just "that movie sucked" basically. But get into music and more than a few people start throwing around the word "seminal".

See my comments above, Karl...I got nothing but love for the Monkees!!

Damn jess...thought you were inside of a blue barrel or something.

p.s. staying on topic can get boring....thoughts meander this way and that...it's what makes this place fun.