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Rep. John Shimkus, R-Ill. leaves as President Barack Obama delivers a speech on healthcare to a joint session of Congress, Wednesday, Sept., 9, 2009 on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)
In our post from earlier today about President Obama's health care reform speech, we had the above picture of Illinois Rep. John Shimkus walking out of the speech. According to an aid, Shimkus left because, "Congressman Shimkus was frustrated that the president was not offering any new ground and left with just minutes remaining in the speech...Regardless of the words the president used, the tone did not bring Republicans on board." [Tribune]
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this tool actually quoted the biblical legend of Noah and the great flood during comments on global warming at a house subcommittee meeting in April:
“Never again will I curse the ground because of man,” God says in the excerpt, “even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood, and never again will I destroy all living creatures as I have done. As long as the earth endures, seed time and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.”
Shimkus also referred to a biblical promise that “the earth will end only when God declares it’s time to be over. Man will not destroy this earth. This earth will not be destroyed by a flood.”
Shimkus said members of the clergy were in the room. “I appreciate having panelists here who are men of faith, and we can get into the theological discourse of that position,” Shimkus said. “But I do believe God’s word is infallible, unchanging, perfect."
Unprofessional, disgraceful, disrespectful, immature, undemocratic, unamerican. This man is a disgrace to his office.
Did democratic congressmen walk out on Bush ever? Did they hold up signs, yell disrespectful statements in our nation's capital building? Have any congressmen of either party done this before to any sitting president? No.
Why now? Is it racism? Is it that Republican have become so childish that they can't even sit quietly through a speech? Is it that the republicans do not respect the outcome of our democratically elected president? Yes, it is all three.
Four years ago if you dared to even question the president, these same people called you a traitor. They are hypocrites. They are racists. They are undeserving of the offices they hold. Anybody who votes for these fools is a fool.
Don't republicans have anything better to offer our country?
Un-American? You can't say that! According to Dems, criticizing your President is the highest form of patriotism. I know that you Dems are hypocrites, but even I am surprised at the outrage you are showing, when we all know you would have been cheering a Dem who had done this during a Bush speech.
Yes, please keep pulling the level for all Democrats. It has worked well in Chicago and Illinois. Hopefully, Obama can work his magic on a national basis.
Yes, Un-American. There is no way I would have supported this if a Democrat had done it. Criticism is fine, as long as its based in fact and not hyperbole or fiction. But walking out and shouting during a presidential address is a disgrace to our institutions. It is Un-American. Republicans showed us on Wednesday that they have no respect for the office of president, the capital building of the United States, and for the offices that they hold.
Did you see the guy (I think it was Rep. Cantor) who was using his Blackberry while Obama was talking?
The behavior of these people was just insufferable.
And like everything else that's been going on...why isn't there more outrage among the republicans about this kind of behavior?
No big loss, just another greedy, corrupt Republicon.
Maybe he should just become a small town preacher.
Land of Lincoln indeed.
What a twat.
"I'll come back when a white man's in charge!"
I would advise writing him and telling him that, regardless of his position on the issue, some respect for the office (much as they demanded of "libs" a year or more ago) would have been nice. But he conveniently doesn't have an email address to reach him on his website and says he only accepts mail from his constitutents. So, anyway...
Yeah, because the Dems really respected the office for the last eight years. Do you remember Bush getting booed during one of his State of the Unions when he was discussing social security? Probably not, you libs have selective amnesia.
I don't think he should have walked out because all it does is give you libs ammunition, but it is difficult to listen to Obama sit up there and lie through his teeth.
You mention a couple of times that Bush got booed. Big deal. The poor treatment of Obama outweighs the few things that happened to Bush a million to one.
Oh..and news flash: there are poorly behaved people in every political party. Just because you keep bringing up the couple of times that Bush got treated poorly by the opposing party does make make a case.
Here, we have organized disdainful treatment of our President by people in congress.
The things that were said at campaign speeches during the election were outright criminal and not one republican stood up to say this was wrong...and it went on and on and on and on. You cannot deny this.
You mention a couple of times that Bush got booed. Big deal. The poor treatment of Obama outweighs the few things that happened to Bush a million to one.
Oh..and news flash: there are poorly behaved people in every political party. Just because you keep bringing up the couple of times that Bush got treated poorly by the opposing party does make make a case.
Here, we have organized disdainful treatment of our President by people in congress as well as the whole of Fox media.
The things that were said at campaign speeches during the election were outright criminal and not one republican stood up to say this was wrong...and it went on and on and on and on.
You cannot deny this.
Lie?
You mean when he said that there was yellow cake uranium in Iraq? Or when he said "we found WMD"? Or when...oh, I'm sorry, that wasn't President Obama. It was some other guy.
And none of the Democrats shouted liar or walked out. Those bastards.
I certainly hope the little masked marauder takes after your life-partner (not to make any assumptions) because you have a powerful streak of dumb in your genome.
I am going to home school Masked Marauder Jr. I cannot send him to these pathetic city schools who baby the kids like nothing I have ever seen. He will be given a steady diet of conservative propaganda every day.
I remember it, and I also remember Clinton being booed numerous times as well during his State of the Union addresses. They booed and shouted "Noooooo!" when Clinton talked about lowering the age for medicare to 55. Short on facts again man.
Heckling/yelling that the POTUS is a liar is new territory.
So just to clarify, it's "Do as we say, not as we do"...or is it "Do as we say, until we don't like it, then all bets are off." Really, you guys need to pick a lane.
if booing Bush was "unpatriotic" or "supporting the terrorists" or whatever parlance you guys were using then, what is yelling out derisive comments like a Tourettes sufferer or heading for the exits in a prominent manner classfied as?
And as much as you strive to point out that not all Republicans are the same, your schoolyard cries of "Lib! Lib!" are pretty childish and pathetic. Because I dare criticize something a Republican does, I'm automatically a lib to you. Yet I believe in capital punishment and have no problem with responsible citizens owning guns. In fact I go to the gun range at in Indiana at least once a year and am seriously thinking about purchasing a little something for protection. So where do I fit on your handy dandy lib scale?
Booed is much different than holding up signs and shouting "You Lie!" and walking out. Republicans are acting like children.
I see he's the guy who also kept Mark Foley's love letters to pages secret. Klassy.
This pussy walked because no other politician ever has come this close to actually creating some kind of reform in the health care system.
It's clear that the republicans are terrified of reform. They are terrified of change.
They're comfortable keeping what they think is the underclass just the way they are.
Yes, it's racism. I think racism was behind the whole school speech as well. They knew that most of the black children in the country would be watching this speech, and maybe even getting something out of it. They are fearful of the thought of too many black children getting high ideas and actually making something out of themselves...kind of like Obama.
The behavior last night of these people was just horrific. And I am just stupefies me that they cannot see through their own partisanship.
You couldn't be more wrong. The Democrat Party is who who benefits from black people staying down. The more dependency and hatred of Republicans they create, the longer they'll have their votes even though their condition doesn't improve. Look at the poverty in the inner cities in America. Almost all of them are run by Dems. LBJ's grand welfare experiment of having the government act as parents and destroying the family in the black community has been more damaging than any other public policy in AMerican history.
Is this the idea of the thoughtful dialogue you've been calling for? Accusing people who don't agree with you of hatred and racism? Nice.
I should never be surprised, but I am surprised at the outrage of you liberals. Any Democrat who walked out of a Republican speech would be lauded as a hero by all of you.
And for the school speech, the Democrats complained when Bush 41 spoke and even heald hearings.
You are the people who do not think. Just knee-jerk accusations of racism and hatred.
These two jerks, i.e., the guy who shouted "Liar!" and this leave-the-movie-early guy are a disgrace.
The House Republican leadership should come down hard on these guys for embarrassing the party. But it won't, and that's a shame.
@Masked Marauder
Seriously? Knee jerk reactions of racism and hatred? Do you ever listen to the folks over at Fox news? Hannity? Beck?...every last single one of them? You can practically see the spit flying out of their lying mouths they're so vitriolic! So full of hatred.
And they are all loathe to come out and dismiss the birthers. Talk about hatred and racism.
McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, you can bet your bottom dollar that if Obama was born in the Panama Canal Zone, there would have been the same stink from the birthers that there is now. Nobody made a big deal about it..the story came and went.
And so, there has never been poverty in a big city run by republicans? Really?
I've got to tell you, I have always been the black sheep in my family (and the ex-inlaws) becasue of my political views. I see up close and personal how little empathy and compassion the right wing/republicans have for society. Anyone that doesn't have what they have, they consider that to be a personal fault. They have no tolerance nor do they care a whit for anyone in need. Health care for all has no meaning to them. It doesn't concern them, they simply do not care.
Yes, I watch Glenn Beck and I like him. I dont listen to Rush much because I am at work when he is on. Have you seen the hatred that Olbermann spews on a nightly basis? Wait....that's not hatred because you agree with him.
Am I the only one who remembers the seething hatred Democrats have displayed for anything conservative over the last ten years? Oh yeah, its different. We're better. Give me an effing break.
What the hell is your rant about the Panama Canal Zone? I do not know anyone who is a Birther, you Dems made that a much bigger issue than it is. Kind of funny coming from the party of Truthers, which is much worse.
Save your charges of racism. Your party has destroyed the black community with your policies. That you continue to get away with it is a travesty.
Ingrid, you write that you "...see up close and personal how little empathy and compassion the right wing/republicans have for society."
We get it. Republicans are bad. Unfortunately for your side, that sort of thinking pushes people away from liberals. People are not going to come around to your way of thinking when you are berating them and claiming the moral high ground.
Here's the deal. Republicans "care" just as much as Democrats. We Republicans are not horned devils. We disagree with Democrats about how to help those who are less fortunate.
In summary, note that the Democrats characterize Republicans as heartless, while you rarely see the reverse being done.
"We disagree with Democrats about how to help those who are less fortunate."
With regard to the health care debate, what's the Republican version of "how to help"? I don't mean to be flip, I genuinely want to know.
Only after there are two (or more) competing ideas will we ever have a true debate. One of the few coherent Republican points I've read is that the "no money for illegal aliens" clause has no means enforcement, and I tend to agree that there should be. Submitting a certified birth certificate to join the dreaded "public option" doesn't seem like an undue burden. But points like that get drowned out by all the noise of death panels and the like.
C'mon Ward...you have on your side Michele Bachman, Sarah Palin, Glen Beck, Laura Ingram, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney...and on and on and on...
Do you honestly stand behind what these people say? I'm listening to Rush Limbaugh (a clip) get bombastic with his hatred right now. It's frightening. Do you say that these people have hearts?
Name me as many dems who are this frightening with spreading hatred and fear and outright lies!
Maybe I shouldn't say 'republicans' because what you have now is not really representing what republicans SHOULD be. They are now just fear mongering haters.
They are not the republican party the way it's supposed to be. I think even you have to admit that. Hell...Obama is actually pretty close to being what a republican should be, so why all these wing nuts keep calling him a nazi/socialist/communist is beyond me.
What you have now is the party of wing nuts...and why you and other seemingly sane people don't denounce them all is beyond me.
Ingrid, we are not as nasty as you think. And we Republicans are right in front of you on the El or at the bus stop.
We believe that less government and lower taxes help everyone. That's not being mean. We really believe it
As for being a party of wing nuts, there are just as many wing nuts on the left.
Personally I know a lot of Republicans...some of my best bartender friends are Republicans. For the most part, Ward, I understand your position and most of the time you present it in a reasonable way.
The problem for your party is guys like the Masked (Hooded?) Maurader who arrives to the party already in confrontation mode. It's that "fuck talking, let's fight, you lib" attitude that is now the dominant perception of the GOP, becoming a self-fulfilling prophacy. Check out his first post to the thread here. Not a "Well, I disagree because," it's right into the simplistic "you libs" trite garbage.
Anyway, in case you ever wonder why some people have the image off the GOP that they do, well...ahem
This is probably a news flash to you because I doubt you ever step outside your comfortable liberal bubble, but the Democrats aren't that popular right now. I fully acknowledge that the GOP is leaderless and basically inept, but even with that, the GOP is even or leading in polls for generic congressional ballot. If health care is rammed through, look for a rout next year in the midterms.
This is a much different time than when Obama stood in Germany and vowed to lower sea levels with a stroke of his hand.
Bwahahahahah! I can't resist pointing out the irony here. This admitted Glen Beck fan says that progressives need to get out of their "bubble"! His "evidence" - Democrats aren't very popular - despite winning the Presidency, several Governorships and having strong majorities in the both houses of Congress! Oh - ooops, silly me! I'm pointing out "facts" that he hasn't heard on Fox. Yep - it's the "liberals" who are in a bubble and out of touch with reality.
If anything our brains may not be getting enough oxygen. You see, we adults are busy doing the heavy lifting of fixing countless disasters - the crashed "deregulated" economy, the international disaster caused by the bungled, dishonest invasion of Iraq, the malfunctioning "healthcare marketplace," how we're going to deal with on-going global warming. You children run along now with your tea parties and the posters of the president with a mustache drawn on and your "ghost costumes". We've had enough of your incoherent, hysterical ranting and your stomping off to your room in a huff because you don't like what you're being told. Spoiled brats. Yep, go play in your theocratic "free market" sandbox. You nearly burned down the house, and we're a little busy cleaning up your mess.
Have you seen recent polls, you moron? Democrats have lost alot of popularity since the election. It seems that the public doesn't appreciate a President who claimed to want to cut the deficit but then passed a pork-laden stimulus package before he even knew where the bathroom was. I guess people also don't like being dismissed as idiots when they dare to disagree with people. Perhaps they also didn't like the omnibus spending bill, full of more pork. Obama pretty much does the opposite of what he said in the campaign on just about everything.
Don't tell me you still believe the global warming hogwash. This was the 34th mildest summer on record in this country. Weather is cooling all over the world. I know, I know. Global warming makes it cooler too. Right. Pretty much any weather activity outside of seasonal temperatures at any time is due to global warming. And you make fun of Birthers.
And about the economy. Weren't Democrats in charge of Congress 2007-2008? Hmmmm. No, no fault there at all.
ALso, have you looked at the comments of your fellow liberals on this board? Are they respectful? Are they dialogue? Are they not "fuck this let's fight" mode? You are so partisan that anything you hear that doesn't fall in line with your views is considered hateful.
The only respectful debate you know is when everyone agrees - probably when you and your liberal friends are having a circle jerk.
You are so partisan that anything you hear that doesn't fall in line with your views is considered hateful.
"Hi, Pot? Yeah, this is kettle. Yeah, yeah...doing well. Oh, by the way? You're black. Ok, g'bye."
Ward, you make a mistake by trying to reason with these people and show that you are a decent Republican. No matter what you say, they will hate you because you don't agree with them. Look at Bush - the guy stuck the middle finger up to his own party last year with immigration reform and did it help him with these libs? No, they continued to hate him.
You are trying to deal with them like Dems deal with terrorists. And where has Obama's apology tour and being nice to terrorists gotten us? North Korea and Iran are fast tracking their nuke programs and laughing at Obama because he is such a weakling.
Ward, you make a mistake by trying to reason with these people and show that you are a decent Republican. No matter what you say, they will hate you because you don't agree with them.
You don't speak for me. I like and respect Ward Up because he's a thoughtful person, regardless of whether I agree with his politics. You would benefit from some thoughtfulness yourself.
"We believe that less government and lower taxes help everyone."
I have no doubt that most of the GOP are sincere in this belief, even though I might not have as much enthusiasm for this philosophy as you do as this point. I think the Laffer curve, for instance, looks great if you only consider certain data and income groups, and that, in any case, Reagan and both Bushes (and, for that matter, Nixon) did a poor job of reducing government, to use the most powerful recent GOP presidents (sorry Ford).
That said, it is unfortunate that for now, the wing nuts on the right have so much voice, for various reasons (not the least of which is our 24-news-and-trivia-and-soundbite culture).
Frankly, Ward, you usually sound reasonable and sincere, even though I think you resort to slogans a bit too often. I wish more Republicans were like you.
Alright, we tried it your way, now you try it our way.
Its not the amount of wing nuts, its the size and attitude. Yours are fatter, louder, and dumber and command a far larger fatter, louder, and dumber audience than the relatively less threatening left wing nuts.
oh, i forgot angrier ... as in scary, crazy angry.
Actually, a Zogby poll was done at election time last year and it revealed that Obama voters are the true idiots. 60% of them couldn't even name the party in control of Congress. You would have a 50/50 chance by guessing. The ignorance of Obama voters is unprecedented. You people really aren't that smart. Just sitting there and saying "government should fix this" over and over again is not a complex, intellectually challenging concept.
Ward,
Less government and lower taxes. Sounds sane, but I really don't mind paying higher taxes for more services. When I lived in New York, our taxes were high, but schools were excellent (always rated in the top 50 every year in the Newsweek poll), snow was always plowed, etc. etc. I live in super high property tax area...but most people who move here, do so for the schools. This stuff does not come free.
And if less government means that I have the choice, as a woman, about what happens to MY body, that's fine too. So I guess it depends on what you mean by less government. I'd also like to see religion to be completely eradicated from government. I don't want leaders who think that God has spoken to them directly. No. Just no. (I'm talking to you, Bush).
And the so called republicans of today are about a lot more than 'less government and low taxes'. Could you just for once, address the cray-cray that comes out of the mouths of Michele Bachman and Sarah Palin, just for two examples? The republicans of today are not really republicans in the true sense of the word. Why you would want to align yourself with the likes of all of the hateful batshit crazy people I mentioned in previous posts is a puzzle to me. What is the republican party to you? Who is the real spokesperson for today's republican party? It's circling the drain at this point...but maybe now, at this point it needs to hit rock bottom before it can reinvent itself into something noble and truthful. It needs to hit bottom and go to rehab.
Well then you must be outraged at the way Obama has been invoking God in his health care speeches last week. (I am my brothers keepter, bearing false witness, etc) I'll bet you are furious. Yeah, right. You have selective outrage and selective amnesia. If someone has a (D) by their name, anything is OK. If they have an (R), they are held to a different set of standards. Obama's lies are not lies to you, they are nuance.
You also assume that government money is spent wisely and thus, high taxes are justified. Look at this fucking city. Are you OK paying high taxes in a corrupt environment like this?
And once again, you don't answer direct questions. You NEVER answer questions that people here put to you.
btw, I don't recall Obama every declaring that he has a direct line to God, or that God spoke directly to him. And yes, as an agnostic, it bugs the hell out of me when Obama invokes God...I don't think he's perfect. I just think he was the best choice in that election and am relieved beyond belief that McCain and that whack job Palin are not in office.
MM all but admitted last we that he/she basically does this to tickle his/her jollies--you know, watching "lib" heads explode (I find it odd that MM assumes we are all libs merely because we want to reform health care, but that is how simpletons and party tools operate).
I imagine MM --who, often, sounds like Dan Proft, that brave conservative activist who hates govt but has not problem taking millions of tax dollars to do bullshit PR for the corrupt govt of Cicero--brags to his/her buddies about pissing of all the libs on some relatively small-time (though always entertaining) local blog.
In short, this is likely not so much about debate with MM as it is about some cheap emotional release. Some people are pathetic that way. Always has been human nature, always will be.
I'm just going to cut to the chase here and "over simplify" the way the Masked Marauder has been accusing folks of doing for the past week or so:
Masked Marauder, you, sir, are a dick. You come here with baseless claims and start fights with people with little to no evidence and then don't come up with facts when people ask you outright for them.
Please for the love of your God, shut the hell up. You are making all "fiscally conservative libertarians" look like the slow kids that lots of people think that they are. You are, for lack of a better phrase, "Not even close to helping."
I don't make a practice of replying to trolls like you, but for real, you're a joke at this point and I can't ever resist a good joke.
I can only hope that your kids get home schooled at someone else's home.
I know that this will prompt you to lash out at me and I don't care. And even if you don't lash out, I still don't care. You suck. You are wrong about lots and lots of things and I wish you would go away.
The End.
If Shimkus's only reaction is to run away, then we don't need him.
Republican or Democrat, we need people who run towards conflict and start offering solutions. Not run away from problems that we've chosen to ignore for far too long.
I'm mature enough to recognize that I'm not capable of this, which is why I'm not running for congress. I just wish everyone else had the same mental capacity.
Well, I am sorry you all feel that way. And I thought I had made some new friends here. Sigh.......
I find it funny that you react like when you hear a different point of view. Of course, you have no problem when 99% of the posters on here rant to no end about conservatives, accuse us of hate and racism, rant about how all conservatives are birthers and whack-jobs, etc. This is because you agree with all of this, in your mind there is no legitimate opposition to your beliefs. You are right and everyone else is wrong. I am doing nothing but speaking from the other point of view in the same manner and tone as you people. However, I am considered hateful. You can't honestly look over the majority of liberal posts on this board and say that they are thoughtful and insightful, can you?
An emotional release? Matilda, do you play pseudo-psychiatrist with your friends? I think I am going to take a page out of your book and deny I am ideological while spouting out ideological thoughts all day.
Just this morning, an anti-abortion activist was shot and killed in Michigan. Since you people took the liberty of extrapolating Dr. Tiller's murder as representative of the thoughts of all conservatives, I feel I must do the same with you liberals. This is one week after we find a 9/11 Truther as a top advisor to the President. And you people crow about birthers? Also, ACORN was caught on hidden camera helping two people who were posing as a prostitute/pimp purchase a house and were coaching them on how to defraud the government. This is our Presidents's favorite organization, a recipient of over $8 BILLION of our tax dollars in the stimulus package. This is beyond disgusting.
I do realize that this harsh back and forth is not particularly productive. But the idea that liberals are thoughtful little angels just trying to do what's right and evil, hateful conservatives are out there determined to shoot every liberal who doesn't agree with them is off base. I just laugh at the hypocrisy of you people, acting as if your party doesn't do anything wrong and ignoring things that you would be shouting about if a Republican were doing them.
"I find it funny that you react like when you hear a different point of view."
You really don't get it, do you?
Why is it that modern conservatives always act like whiny martyrs whenever they go against the so-called libs? The far right wing these days (and in past days) talks a tough game, but acts like little girls with their dolls taken away whenever some evil libs challenges them on their bullshit. Pathetic. And so predictable as this point.
"I just laugh at the hypocrisy of you people, acting as if your party doesn't do anything wrong and ignoring things that you would be shouting about if a Republican were doing them."
I invite you to reread comments from the past few months to see that yeah, many of us are pretty critical of Obama, as are many Dems and indies as this point.
Don't be willfully stupid just so you can play some character on a blog, MM. It's beneath all of us.
I think your real problem is that we object to your caricature of us at all. Is someone supposed to sit by while they are called racists, militia members, etc? If we just agreed with you, everything would be fine, right?
"Critical of Obama"? That's a good one. 99% of your comments have been hero worship.
You obviously know nothing about Matilda. Why are you even here? Commenters here have a pretty good handle on each other's views based on their past posts. You show up and want to try to pick fights with people you don't know anything about. I'd say most people here, unlike you, know that the world is gray. Go hang out in one of the more idiotic black-and-white forums where nutjobs on both sides of the idological divide generalize, exaggerate and scream at each other all day. You'll be much happier.
"99% of your comments have been hero worship."
Really?
Prove it, asshole.
Seriously, go ahead and prove it.
And then use my comments to prove I am some lib or left winger.
Until you do, I am done arguing with willfully ignorant assholes. At least Ward displays reason and independent thinking.
Marauder's problem is that he shows up here late to the party with one agenda: lash out at "libs" (meaning, anyone to the left of him). He's probably trolling the same boilerplate at Huffington Post. He's completely unaware of the fact that this is, for the most part, a fun little blog that repurposes mostly local news. He doesn't realize that even though Nevins and Ingrid have gotten into it on other issues, they may agree on others. He treats this forum as one of those insane anonymous free-for-alls. He's spent too much time screaming at people who are as extremely to the left as he is to the right. He lives in a fake world ... too many soundbites, talking points and hypnosis by wack-job, divisive radio and TV personalities. He's too far gone to comprehend that most commenters here, although they may disagree with each other, know that they have a lot in common with each other too. Most Americans, at the end of the day, want the same things. For that reason, I'd love a commenting system that would allow me to ignore such a blathering, waste-of-space tool.
He's completely unaware of the fact that this is, for the most part, a fun little blog that repurposes mostly local news. He doesn't realize that even though Nevins and Ingrid have gotten into it on other issues, they may agree on others. He treats this forum as one of those insane anonymous free-for-alls.
You are the winner, sir.
I think we can all pretty much write MM off just for the fact that he admits liking Glen Beck.
Glen Beck? GLEN fucking BECK?
That says it all.
Glen Beck is certifiably insane.
And just for the record, I'm not a big fan of Keith Olberman. I wish he'd just tell the truth without being so hyperbolic and dramatic. If I do watch that station, I prefer Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow. But I don't watch a lot of tv anyway.
And your claims of Obama hero worship? I think that in the beginning a lot of us were just so happy to have someone in the White House with intelligence. Youcould compare it to coming out into the open air after spending 8 years unjustly locked up in prison. Now that we have our land legs, most of us can start being critical of the things we think Obama needs to change.
Your charges of Obama hero worship are all you have to hang onto...you won't answer any direct questions, just keep returning to your "Obama hero worship" mantra.
There are people here who didn't even vote for him, others are highly critical and yet you cannot see this. I guess you've been blinded by the tears of Glen Beck.
Masked Marauder, I should have warned you about criticizing The Dear Leader in this forum. No matter how substantive your claims, you will be called a racist, insane, cold hearted, and/or a profit hungry capitalist with-in 10 posts or less.
"Masked Marauder, I should have warned you about criticizing The Dear Leader in this forum. No matter how substantive your claims, you will be called a racist, insane, cold hearted, and/or a profit hungry capitalist with-in 10 posts or less."
That is really stupid, too. No one here thinks Obama is The Dear Leader, and you nuts have to realize that one can support Obama without engaging in any cult of personality.
It's like many Republicans supporting Bush but being able to dislike many of his policies and abilities, too (immigrant reform, for instance).
God, you hopelessly ignorant freaks are so out of touch with reality. Stay away from the guns.
Yeah, I have seen that. The funny thing is that these are the same people who are lecturing me about civility and respectful discourse.
If only I agreed with them that all conservatives are vile human beings, we could all get along.
MM is a troll, plain and simple. Casting blanket insults/assumptions on everyone in the comments section, and refusing to own up to false statements when called on it or to simply ask basic questions.
There are clever conservative people to debate with, MM isn't one of them.
* "answer" basic questions..that is.
Looks like I can check 'questioning of mental capacity' and 'outside the mainstream' off the list in just one post! Now I just need the all important racist jab...
So, you are just playing the role of conservative victim/martyr, and all for the benefit of readers on a local blog?
You know, if you really want to be Jesus, get some nails and some wood first. The whole victim/martyr act is losing its freshness.
Was just offering some friendly advice to MM and then proving it's usefulness with examples.
PS: I'm not conservative, and I'm Jewish...
I am sorry if I mistook your statement as something it wasn't. Blame it on my own stupidity and sizzling emotions at being called some lib who worships The Dear Leader.
Jesus was Jewish, too :)
"I'm outta here. I'll come back when a fat white guy with old money is back in charge. Somebody get rid of this fucking darkey! I'm not answering to him!"
Why can't Chicagoist be cool like DCist?
Well, at least when Chicagoist had a party they invited us!
A party? Really? I like parties. When is the next one? I look forward to meeting all of you and I'm sure the feeling is mutual. Hahahaha
Just to reiterate:
MM is a troll, plain and simple. Casting blanket insults/assumptions on everyone in the comments section, and refusing to own up to false statements when called on it or to simply answer basic questions.
There are clever conservative people to debate with, MM isn't one of them.
How many times have I called this guy on his b.s. (booing, nationalization, socialism etc) to have him slink away or rather just move on to somebody else to insult?
This guy is blowing his top because he is one of these tea party/birther racist lunatics.
All true,but he will never see this or admit it.