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First Hawaii told the "birthers" to knock it off, and now a federal judge has told them to give it a rest, too.
The prominent face of the movement challenging President Barack Obama's citizenship, Orly Taitz, went in front of Judge Clay Land in Georgia federal court for a ruling on the case of fellow birther U.S. Army Major Stefan Frederick Cook. Cook had challenged his deployment to Afghanistan, saying that Obama's "Commander in Chief" title is invalid, therefore, he is not authorized to deploy troops to war. Judge Land dismissed the suit, so presumably Major Cook is headed off to the Middle East for an awkward reunion with his fellow officers. But the judge wasn't going to let it end there -- he slapped Taitz with a $20,000 fine, saying that she has been filing lawsuits "as a platform for a political agenda disconnected from any legitimate legal cause of action." He must have really felt Taitz was a royal pain in the ass -- it's the first time the judge has imposed a monetary fine against an attorney without the request of opposing counsel.
Taitz says she has no intention of paying the fine. Oh, really?
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I'm having a slow morning at work - I could use another hilarious birther debate from new commenting accounts.
Give it a sec...I'm sure a certain face-covered person who likes "to roam about and raid in search of plunder" will be here shortly.
Oh please. Oh please. I could use a good laugh this morning.
The Birther movement continues to be spotlighted by the Dems and their friends in the media to create the impression that this is believed by conservatives on a large scale. I do not know any fellow conservatives who does not believe that Obama was born in Hawaii.
A Rasmussen poll a few years back found that 35% of Democrats were Truthers. Is that any less ridiculous?
I just think its hilarious. While you people believe that Bush was involved in bringing down the towers so he could pay his buddies in Iraqi oil one day, you mock Birthers for believing something so stupid. Priceless.
Hey, did you also know that the CIA invented crack to kill black people? I'll bet you believe that one too.
Hmmm. That's funny. I've never even met anyone who thinks 9/11 was an inside job. Not even my friends who were across the street from the Twin Towers that day. Nice try, though.
For the record, we have called the Truthers out on their bullshit on this site as well.
you people
Just who the f*ck are you addressing? I ask because just about every single dropping you deposit here has those two words, you people. You've been divided and conquered. Life is complex. Live it. People on either side of your imaginary ideological line have more in common with each other than you think.
Didn't you know that 35 percent equals all of "you people"?
This is purely anecdotal, but most of my relatives are southern conservatives, and most of these relatives buy into the birther argument at least in part. I could forward you any number of email jokes.
Yeah, there's a great poll graph that shows who believes Obama is a natural citizen broken down by region (east, west, midwest, south). You can guess where the largest numbers of doubters reside, and we know how they vote.
Hey, did you also know that the CIA invented crack to kill black people? I'll bet you believe that one too.
Believe that one TOO? As in, I've already stated something I believe in that you're refering to? What, exactly is that?
All I've stated is that I believed that you would be commenting shortly. I was right. Never mentioned anything about who brought down the towers.
That may be true, but none of them will say anything to discount these stupid rumors. They don't want to disenfranchise their base...the ones who believe the nonsense.
Which is, frankly, the most despicably partisan and divisive behavior there is.
No...the CIA invented crack because it's AWESOME!
I've never understood the "Truthers = Democrats" approach that conservatives take to this argument. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ron Paul have a fairly large contingent of truther supporters during the last Republican primary? In my own experience truthers seem to come from a fairly broad cross section of the political landscape. Birthers on the other hand seem almost universally conservative.
Yeah, it's been my experience that the type of people who tend to believe any sort of widely, or not so widely, circulated conspiracy theory do not easily fall into the "Republican" or "Democrat" camps. They usually have a more nuanced and particular political viewpoint than the mainstream political parties offer.
35% (it's probably a lot higher) of people believe in alien abductions and Freemason threats to national and personal sovereignty, and that they're going to get lost in the Bermuda Triangle, and that all of these things are all related to 9/11.
Despite what magruber may pull out of his rasmussen, it appears that most "reasonable" cons are slow to dismiss the allegations. We have geniuses in congress who are still waiting for the birth certificate. Look at any of the tea baggin hooplas and the amount of Obama birth posters and ephemera on display. Oh, and then take a peak at Fox. They're on the birther crap more than anyone.
One can only hope we're entering the AfterBirther era.
Wow. You people just tell yourself what you want to believe and then run with it. I watch Fox quite often and I can't remember hearing/seeing anything about Birthers in quite some time. Have you been watching Fox and seeing all of these reports? Of course not. I'm sure you just rely on unbiased outlets like Media Matters and MSNBC to tell you what FOx is doing.
How's that tax plan coming?
What are you talking about?
How you're going to find $10 billion to fix the budget without raising taxes. How quickly you forget.
No, I haven't forgotten about that ridiculous request. That was a cute little tactic. Request for me to do something that nobody who works for a living would have time to do, then when I say that I won't do it, you say that you win the argument. Thats a win-win for you. You can sit there under the absurd assumption that all government spending is useful unless you agree otherwise, and you also get to wait for me to produce my report and comment on my findings, at which time you crap all over them.
Let's try this. I am taking the position that everything in the budget should be subject to review and possible cuts/reductions. Why don't you slog through the budget and tell me what you think cannot be cut and I'll let you know what I think.
I'm waiting........
While we're assigning homework, why don't you address my earlier point about truthers not equaling Democrats and the seeming prevalence of conservatives among the ranks of birthers.
Sorry, sir. There are so many requests of me, occasionally I miss one.
I disagree with that point you made. Is that good enough?
Nothing ridiculous in asking you to explain how you'd come up with 10 billion dollars without any tax increases. YOU ARE the one who made the wacky statement to begin with. Unfortunately for you, somebody called you on it. I thought conservatives were all about accepting "personal responsibility"? Apparently not.
Suggesting that there is wasteful spending in the budget is a "wacky" statement?
Wow, you people worship government more than I thought.
I'm still waiting for you to tell me what cannot be cut.
You are pathetic. That's NOT what you said, as you well know. How does it feel to know that you can't even stand behind what you say? To be a complete fraud?
Ah MM,
That's a red herring, because you see, I never said that all goverment spending was "useful", in fact, quite the contrary. Like Matilda, I too believe that much could be cut, but unlike you I never said that 10 billion could be cut without any kind of tax hike. We both said that back then but you were too busy trolling to notice. So the onus is on you pal. Man up already.
so, you're cool with everything else? good.
btw its "You the people".
No, I'm not cool with much you say, but I don't want to subject you to thought that you don't hear inside your little liberal bubble.
Yes you do.
" I watch Fox quite often and I can't remember hearing/seeing anything about Birthers in quite some time."
Wait, wait, hold up there honeybunny. See, now I know you're clearly putting us all on. No serious human could type that sentence without buckets of irony.
It's akin to saying "I read Playboy quite often and I can't remember seeing/reading anything about gay porn in quite some time"
or "I watch Ellen quite often and can't remember hearing/seeing anything about axe murderers in quite some time"
I applaud your performance art.
My point was that Birthers are not a major news item outside of MSNBC, Media Matters and the liberal blogs that you frequent. I watch O'Reilly every night, I occasionally watch Hannity, and I have Fox on in the background while I am reading and studying throughout the week/weekend. That is a pretty good sampling. Nobody talks about Birthers anymore except liberals because you want to keep it alive.
Its obvious why you keep bringing it up. Focusing on Birthers takes peoples' attention off the health care debacle, the failure of the stimulus, and Obama putting off a General's request for more troops because it might hurt him politically, among his other failures and broken promises.
So in watching your far right programming you find no mention of the crazy fringe far right people who are an embarrassment to even the far right people?
Also, Loofah Bill and Alan Colmes' old boss are not news. They're editorial. Opinion. Meaning they can pick and choose what stories they want to focus on (yes, just like Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann, but, y'know, MSNBC isn't a GOP whorehouse) so you being shocked at the lack of right-wing criticism makes you sound even more dense than usual.
Why can't I get a decent steak at this McDonalds? Why doesn't this bar off child care?
I love supporting crazy art, so I'll play.
So when do you have time to monitor the lefties Birther news? when you're not readin n studyin? why no Glenn Beck? I thought he was the main man.
The concern HAS ALWAYS BEEN does Obama meet the Constitutional requirements to be POTUS (Article II, Section I qualifications for being President) i.e. natural born citizen. Can you think of any reason why the framers of our Constitution thought it so important that ONLY a natural born citizen be POTUS and they grand fathered themselves!?
To my knowledge the only two groups that have openly stated that President Obama is a natural born citizen are Hawaii Attorney General Mark Bennett who reviewed and approved the Statement released by DoH Director Fukino.
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
The problem is what evidence did Mark Bennett have in making his determination and releasing his statement?
According to the law, the State of Hawaii declared that Obama was a Natural Born Citizen and that this disclosure was approved by the Attorney General of the State. The State of Hawaii must now release any and all communications and documentation that led it to making this determination.
THEY HAVE NOT!
In 1981, Obama visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia and then traveled to Pakistan with a friend from college whose family was from there.
According to Obamas campaign, he was in Karachi for about three weeks and then visited Hyderabad in India.
In 1981 travel to Pakistan was forbidden to US citizens? So, you tell me how Obama traveled to Pakistan? It wasn’t on a US passport! Hummm maybe he had a British or Indonesian passport!? How did he get one of those!?
Sorry to inform you all but the issues of Obama’s eligibility to serve as POTUS are NOT going away.
Deal with it!
I'll need more information before i'm convinced. Can you supply please? Maybe elaborate on the intriguing points you've brought to light here. I'm impressed with dates and places as well as names and titles.
thanks Jimmy.
Guess what--I was born in Blue Island and yet I've been to Havana! It's not that difficult to travel to places that are 'off limits.'
BTW, it's McCain that's not a natural born US citizen, though apparently the Dems weren't going to bring that up.