Man Charged with Duct Taping Daughter, Posting Photos on Facebook

What a doo-doo headed dad.

Is that duct tape or the blue painter tape that barely sticks.  Might not be that big a deal, don't know for sure unfortunately I don't think the authorities know either.

Dis what happen when my baby dis me!!! Asshole!!!

What's the big deal?

jk.

I can't help but think that this girl's parents also use those child-leashes on her... you know, those backpack-looking things which have a cute animal head on them but really they're just leashes.

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What does he mean, "hits me BACK"?

Exactly

WTF is right duct tape him up and tell him we are playing.lol and to put it on face book,I hope the girl is ok. We should make parents get a license to be parents like driving.
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So this little bitch basically admits he's not man enough to win a fight *he* started with a 1-year-old girl... without binding her hand and foot. Wow. 

BTW, love the duckface in the mug shot, sweety.  Practice that pretty little pout like the passive little sissy you are.

Two words (coming together to form a compound word) - OVER REACTION!  Putting that tape on that kid is equal to dressing him/her up in a dumb outfit.  It's not bad parenting even if it is a bad decision.  

You do realize this child is not even 2 years old?  Would you do something like that?  Would you be ok if your spouse or someone else did something like that to your child and then put a picture of it on facebook?

Yes, I would be completely ok with that as long as it isn't a criminal act, which this isn't.

I think it was a bad decision by a young dumb man. Oh my god. I'm agreeing with you. Oh my god. Hell has frozen over. Also, I don't think that's duct tape.

I know. Logic hurts sometimes.

You don't know what kind of tape it is and neither do I

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I agree with you. That means I must be wrong.

It means you've got some logic floating around in your skull.

didnt some twatburger already do this a few years ago and post it on myspace or something?

The noogies I used to get from my dad seem more abusive than this. That shit hurt, man.

 And the dutch ovens he used to give me...those were torturous.

I more offended by the poor grammar of this nitwit's post to Facebook. He is abusing the English language.

keep it real yo

Anyone that condones and/or defends this type of behavior is a fool.  A parent is supposed to be a child's most trusted human being, not the one that does something like this.  If she hit her father then he needs to be a parent and teach his child not to hit, without using tape.  End of story.

I think you're taking the joke too seriously. And I think you're underestimating the things that kids think are funny. I don't know the daughter or the whole story, but I can definitely see  a young child thinking that being wrapped up in tape is good for a laff. Is there evidence that she was harmed, physically or emotionally, by this?

I have a 3 year old daughter.  There are all kinds of things she thinks are funny or fun that are not - it is up to the parent to use good judgment as an adult.

Would you keep pestering your 3-year-old with the same question over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again?  Wait, you would?  Thought so.

Get a clue

 Lack of judgment (according, at least, to you) is usually not considered a crime. There has to be specific harm caused by that lack of judgment. An investigation needs to be made as to whether or not the girl was harmed.

Anyone who thinks he/she knows exactly what happened here and what the proper response should be based solely on that picture is a bigger fool. We don't know this was a punishment. The child was playing with the tape. Maybe she said, "Tape me up, Daddy!" and he did it out of fun, and she was laughing the whole time. Or maybe he did this immediately before beating her with a hose. Either are possible. Investigate it, then decide the appropriate reaction.

All I know is that this little girl was taped up by her father.  Whether it was playing or abusive is not the point.  He should know better.

"Sorry, Timmy, I know we're playing cops and robbers but I can't put the handcuffs on you. Someone on the internet might think it's abuse."

While I agree with you in principle, you're getting way too bent out of shape on this one.

It's one thing to play around, it's another to put tape on a child's mouth and then proudly put a picture of it on facebook.  I don't like when parents do incredibly stupid things.

Do you realize the ramifications of abuse versus poor judgment? Do you have any idea that he could go to jail, never get to see his daughter again, etc. etc. It is the fundamental point when the state gets involved.

You're kind of just making ass out of yourself now.

People make all kinds of bad choices using poor judgment - some of them go to jail.  That's how it works.  When parents use poor judgment their children suffer.  Does that mean that someone should automatically go to jail or have their child taken away?  No.  But it does mean that a parent like this needs to learn better judgment.

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I never said that was the necessary outcome

No, but you did call for an enforced vasectomy, which suggests removal of parental rights is the outcome you think this Facebook photo without context calls for. This is reinforced by your continued resistance to the idea that context matters. The only conclusion, then, is that you think this child should be removed.

You go ahead and tell me what I think.  Have fun with that.

Well, then, clarify. You have said many times that regardless of context, this is abuse. Your choice, then, is to either remove the child from her parent, or leave the child in an abusive home. Which is it? What do you think this picture without context calls for?

If it was up to me - investigate the father.  If he is in fact consistently abusive then take the necessary steps.  If he just displays poor judgment then educate him.  If we send drug abusers to rehab then why can't we try to teach shitty parents to be less shitty?

So basically, you've gone from forced sterilization to exactly what I and others have been saying. That's okay. I don't need you to admit it.

 Is there evidence this girl suffered any harm?

Yes she has a father with poor judgment

You didn't answer the question:  where's the evidence of harm?  Your parents had poor judgement at least once when you were growing up.  That's life.  Bad judgement doesn't always result in harm and you know better than to say that.

I think it does require investigation.  I am not the judge and jury.  I am stating my opinions. 

 Most everyone in the world has a parent who has made a poor judgment. you need to get over the idea that one poor judgment is enough to take someone's kid away and lock him up.

I never said to take the kid away and lock him up.  Yes we all make poor decisions with bad judgment, myself included.  When you ignorantly display a picture of it on facebook then that is a red flag that there is something wrong.

If you're going to start removing parental rights for poor judgment, then the state's going to be raising a lot of kids.

I never said that was the necessary outcome.  This guy used extremely poor judgment and then put it on facebook as something to be proud of.  It displays a high level of ignorance.

same thing applies. Ignorance is not a reason to take someone's kid away and lick them up.

can we all just weep for society? there are bad parents out there. They make bad decisions. Kids survive.

Yes there are many bad parents out there.  When someone does something like this and they broadcast it on facebook they should be called out on it.  Hopefully he will learn to use better judgment.

I think that in determining abuse, whether something is abusive is an important factor. And how will we determine that? Investigate it. 

Thank you.

Anyone who can't tell the difference between "condoning" and "believing that not all bad judgment is child abuse" is a fool. End of story.

 Thank you.

I don't care if it abuse, bad judgment, what his intent was or otherwise.  It is a terrible decision on the father's part.

Well, you sure act like you care. It seems like you already decided that it's abuse. I can't imagine how, but you did. Don't back off now . . .

It's not up to me to decide if it is abuse or what if any punishment is deserved.  I just think it is 100% wrong and should be condemned for it's stupidity and/or bad intent.

Blah blah blah.

Just say "I flipped out and now I am realizing maybe I was a little overboard."

Nope.  What this man did to his child was wrong, whatever the reasons were.

I hope you never become a judge.  Zero understanding.  Zero willingness to see more facts before practically screaming, "SEND HIM TO JAIL!"

If this was misguided play, a daughter could lose her father for life if they get a judge who thinks like you.  I don't think anyone is a winner in that scenario.

Investigate.  If there is no initial evidence that this was abuse or the child is in immediate danger, the state should not take action.

I never said send him to jail.  It should be investigated.

 That is true. your first comment on this topic was about forced vasectomies. my bad.

That first comment was sarcasm.

Bullshit.

Liar.

lol. that's some great doublespeak.

I don't think it goes to "intent," but it does go to how negligent the act might have been.

He he he. That's what "intent" judges.

 Ahhh....well. I thought you meant intent as in whether or not he had the intent to harm her. I kinda believe the guy's story--that he was just playing a dumb game--and that "intent to harm" does not really factor into this act...its more just a negligent (or stupid, to put it bluntly) act...

If it was painter's tape, she probably barely felt it. Painter's tape is not very sticky. If it was, it would damage all the surfaces that painters use it on.

 "Let it play out." Yeah, kinda like Nixzmary Brown, or Lisa Steinberg. Those things got played out alright... Oh wait.

"Let it play out." Yeah, kinda like Nixzmary Brown, or Lisa Steinberg. Those things got played out alright... Oh wait.

Jesus christ. internet overreaction to the extreme.

Is there any evidence of ACTUAL abuse in the household? Cause playing with tape is not really abuse. If he left her that way for a few hours, then I would say he should be charged. But without evidence of that, this just seems like a dumb game.

Lesson: don't post anything slightly incriminating on facebook.

It looks kind of traumatizing even if it is play. Maybe if he had only taped her mouth, or hands and feet but this would actually freak some adults out even as a joke. Then the idiot posted it on FB and a few choice words. I mean, how are we supposed to defend him? If you are just joking, say you're just joking. I wouldn't want pics like that of my little girl on the web. It's very egotistical she's not a toy. 

 sorry, I meant to say "Jesus McJimmy"

I'm glad the internet wasn't around when I was a child or there would be videos of my brother and I duct taping my other brother to a couch and a toilet (Not at the same time)

Agreed. I'm glad it wasn't around when my younger brother was annoying the hell out of us and we'd leave him on top of the fridge  where he'd be stuck until dad got home. 

Exactly. We can't tell just from the photo what's going on here. I think it's way premature to say whether this is abuse or innocent play. I did stuff like this to my brothers. My parents did stuff like this to me. It was play.

Now, this may be play, or it may be far worse than play. I fully agree there should be an investigation, but I can't get behind taking away parental rights and enforcing zero contact right now. Let it play out.

Duct tape on a toddler's mouth is not play

Yeah, show me blue duck tape. Its painters tape, paper based and easy to tear off.

easy to tear off for an adult. for a child? not so much

Are you a parent?  Would you do this to your child?

No, I'm NOT a parent.

Not selfish enough to think that my genes deserve to carry on in this over populated and under resourced world. We already have enough human beings on this world, thanks.  

Your point about an overpopulated world is well taken and appreciated.  Sorry that you do not feel your genes are worthy of carrying on though.

And this isn't necessarily duct tape. I can't really tell from the photo. Did the girl think it was play? Did it hurt when it was removed? That's what an investigation needs to determine.

 I'm not convinced that's duct tape. duct tape is rarely blue.

Who gives a shit what kind of tape it is.  Ask that little girl how she felt when the tape was pulled off of her face.

HUGE difference. Painters tape is blue and easy to rip like paper.   Duct tape is serious. Either way that kind of play can traumatize a kid and posting that dumb comment on FB, you can want to give him the benefit of the doubt but he blew it for himself with that one. 

for a child it doesn't fucking matter what kind of tape it is.  her arms and legs could be wrapped with a shit ton of scotch tape and she wouldn't be able to get it off. painter's tape is easy to rip off for adults, not children you lunatic

It does look like painters tape which obviously would be less physically damaging and painful but can traumatize nonetheless as you mentioned.  The fact is you can get duct tape in just about any color - http://duckbrand.com/Products/...

The police and whatever you call DCFS are investigating.  Let's see what they have to say.

The type of tape is a huge part of this. Painter's tape barely sticks to skin. It would not hurt her if he took it off within a few minutes. Duct tape, Gorilla tape, and a lot of other tapes would be terrible. It goes to intent.

Are you a parent?  Would you do this to your child?

My kid would think this was hilarious. I might not go all the way with the tape over the mouth, but I think that he would love being "arrested" by daddy.

 And I didn't mean any of that in a creepy sexual way, perverts.

Yes. No. Irrelevant questions though.

Not irrelevant questions - you would not do this to your child and neither should he.

In other words, investigate before you judge.

Are you a parent?  Would you do this to your child?

I am a parent. I can't say whether I'd do this to my child, as I don't know what was done. INVESTIGATE IT!

Also of note, the news article chicagoist is linking to in this blog is NOT calling it duct tape either. Apparently, only Chicagoist is calling it "duct tape"

It looks like painter's tape, which, if you've never used it, is barely sticky at all.

EDIT: The news article says duct tape in the headline, but resolutely refuses to call it duct tape in the body of the story. Headlines are usually written by someone other than the reporter.