Seven Charged In Beating Of Chicago Teen Caught On Video

I was a victim of a gang attack in 2007. I am white and the attackers were black and latino. It was a random attack. Who's to tell that it was a hate crime or if they just chose somebody at random? Odds are it was based on my race though. I can't watch this video. I sympathize with the victim here and wish him the best in recovery both mentally and physically. It's a long road ahead filled with horrible nightmares and depression but I came out a stronger person because of it. 

T W

It wasn't a racial hate crime. The attackers names have been posted up, many of Chinese descent. The story on the street is this was retaliation for an earlier attack. 

Wow, for once 4Chan has done something else besides posting pictures of naked children.  

This is terrible.  I wonder if their arrest records will interfere with their future police careers?

But I thought all Asian guys knew Kung Fu....

technically for me it's Thai boxing and Brazilian Jiujitsu, but what the heck....we'll just dumb it down for an ol' simpleton like yourself and call it "kung fu"

technically for you? yeah ok.  anyway, your not very good with sarcasm are you?

Course I'm good with it.  I'm responding to you aren't I?

that doesnt really make sense

No, but an hour after this assault they wanted to assault again . . . 

Come on, people. How am I the one to finally say this after two days of posting?

Interesting that the guy took a beating for over 3 minutes, and was still able to keep standing and eventually run away.

Pretty sure that 1 guy could take any of these little guys single handedly.

uh, people of Chicago:  Oriental is used to describe a rug, in the human form:  Asian.

With the cross posting in the ist-averse now, it's hard to say where anybody's from, so you're jumping the gun with your "people of Chicago" comment.  Like *you*, it looks like that person just created an account yesterday...

Speaking of jumping the gun..I have been posting for years on DCist and have had to change my moniker 3 times when "ist" decides to change their commenting options, security settings.  I've been svdrummr, [facebook profile name], and now sordidvox since I can't for some reason sign in w/fb anymore.  So go back to looking for your name in the white pages, milktoast gas-pumper.

Milquetoast.

The usage has changed, but your rationale is stupid. It is "polite" to call people from Asia "Asian" since they're, you know, from Asia. However, "Oriental" no more refers to objects than "Occidental" does to petroleum companies. They just aren't preferred terms anymore.

So it's not preferred in the same way as in appearing in black face, using the term "n#^ger", calling chinese "chinks", japanese "japs" or "nips", italians "waps", etc.  It really just sounds ignorant.  Can we agree on that or would you care to trot out some better "rationale"?

I don't use the term for people (anymore). A Korean-American explained to me about 20 years ago that he objected to it. I have no stake in the issue, so I stopped using the term. However, it is not pejorative in the way wop etc. are. The rug thing is oft repeated and always stupid.

Good, this is sickening behavior.  Set an example for these sociopaths

i am glad that girl posted that in error i am sure, and these guys are caught good for them, i hope all is well with the oriental guy.  what kind of heart of a girl will tolerate recording this video

dude, ASIAN.  Carpets are oriental.

Really?  Look it up: 'Oriental: 
Of, from, or characteristic of the Far East: "oriental countries".'

Dude, asian includes the ORIENT and the subcontinent India.

This pc 'OH MY GOD EVERYTHING IS ABOUT RACE!' crap is getting out of hand.

Your idiocy is showing.   

http://journalism.nyu.edu/publ...
Do you call blacks 'coloreds' also?

Yeah, you need to read the article you linked to.  It might help.

The reason the term oriental has come to be offensive is because people have used it to offend and be derogatory (with racist intentions).  This is why people have been touchy about it and why people think twice before using it.

The term Asian was introduced because it distances a specific demographic of people from a region that have common physiological features with an even larger region (a whole freaking continent).  However, since Asia includes a massive non-oriental population (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc...), it isn't an effective replacement and can be offensive to that demographic.  In addition, the term Asian is not immune from hateful and racist comments.  It all hinges on how the speaker uses the word.

From the article you linked to, would it sound better if the teacher said, "Oh, stop being so Asian and nodding."???

Going back further, the term chinaman wasn't particularly offensive when it was first used since it was labeling a person from China.  However, since non-asian people used it with spite and to describe a low-end exploited worker with xenophobic fervor, the use of the term was quickly identified as offensive... especially if you call someone from Japan or Korea a chinaman  (that's a big no no..).

The term oriental has been used for an extremely long time (before the railroads) and didn't have the negative shadow until recently.  It is in part because the term sounds archaic and therefore has the 'underdeveloped technologically' and 'ancient civilization' baggage.  So, it may sound to some as an insult because they picture old dusty rugs and shit from 'big trouble in little china'.  In fact, this is why people wanting to spill racist vile may choose to use the term; because they picture the type of cultures Marco Polo came across.

Now... This whole discussion revolves around race.  When both terms, asian or oriental, are used as an adjective for a person they are usually intended to describe the physical features of the person... the same way white, black, native american, pacific islander, are used.  Using the term Asian to describe and identify someone from China, Korea, or Japan is disingenuous towards people from the subcontinent of India... making it a bad replacement for oriental.  If you can come up with something better I'd use it... although I too use the term Asian around friends, coworkers, or anyone from the orient...  most don't care, but I don't want to risk stepping on the toes of the ones that are overly sensitive on the matter.

Here's something else interesting... I previously thought the term 'Jap' was innocently short for 'Japanese' until someone pointed out it was offensive to people from Japan.  The term has similar  origins of offense since it originated during WWII, when most everyone using the term said it with with hate.  In addition, it reminds Japanese people of a sordid past and embarrassing defeat.  So, using the word Jap is discouraged.

Basically, the people labeled with terms are the ones able to choose which term is offensive.  Unlike terms like white or black, the terms Asian and Oriental do not describe physiological features like the lightness of skin.  They instead describe the region (and not nation) of origin, which one would think is a step up.  Any minority being identified with a term will always want something different since a label of a demographic is required to make a racist comment... and no one likes racist comments... but saying people shouldn't describe other people's physical features is simply childish.

Are you offended simply because you are expected to be?  Or is there a real reason for offense?

good lord go outside already loser

Hey, no need to lash out and be a prick about it.

sorry: please go outside, loser.

Fine, fine.  Haha.  Good job.  I'd recommend you pick up a book, but that's probably too difficult for you since you can't even read the articles you post in your comments.  Try some deeper thought sometime.  It might make the world a better place.

I mademypoint inmyfirst comment.Ifyouwnt toarguesemanticsandbeat deadhorsesthatsfine.

itsybitsy spider went put theater spout, out came the rain and washed the spider out 

Did you even read the link? It mostly supports the proposition that "oriental" is outdated and not preferred, but also not a slur.

Idiocy indeed.

Its considered offensive enough to propose legislation to have it removed from books and media. 

Just because it didn't pass yet doesn't mean its not a slur.

As an asian I find it highly offensive.

You know internet privacy is considered offensive enough to propose legislation to have it removed from the internet. Just because it didn't pass yet doesn't mean it's not piracy. Silly, no?

P.S. Read the first amendment and get back to me.

Ohhhh poor you!

oriental is seen widely as a derogatory term.  there is no disputing that

It is not derogatory. It has neither history nor connotation that is derogatory. At best it is outdated, like "Negro" or "colored." It ought not be used, but is not a slur.

Go to the south side and call a black person 'colored'.

I'll wait here for you.

Sorry, can't play anymore. Off to the Northern Occident!

aww, i was just starting to have fun...

you are kidding right?  I have news for you... negro and colored are outdated...BECAUSE THEY ARE DEROGATORY.  this matter is not even up for analysis.  just concede that you are wrong 

I will concede that you are an idiot. Will that work? They are outdated because a new preference grew up over time. They could very easily come back into fashion in your lifetime. They are not preferred and I would not advise anyone to use them, but I would also call bullshit on someone deeply offended by their use. Even you.

which plantation do you live on?

Which kindergarten do you attend?

what is your favorite color?

Blue.

do you enjoy vertical formatting as much as I do?

good job /b/rothers. internet hate machine in full effect.

Filthy animals.

keep the change

thank you!

haha
nobody wants to be a meme:

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the power of 4chan compels you!

disgusting.  hope they all rot in jail but sadly they will not.

Congratulations Ray! You got your picture in the newspaper.  Good for you, you little POS.

i heard that the attack was a retaliation for a previous incident where 20 guys (the victim supposedly one of them) beat up 2 of the guys in the youtube vid. Anyone know if this has been confirmed? Not to judge, but the victim just doesnt look like he would be a gangbanger (judging from my own jhs and hs experiences, which could be outdated by now), and the whole incident does look like these kids just found an easy target..

I live in the area and heard the same thing. Supposedly the victim wasn't a good kid either. Not that that's an excuse for happened to him, but the whole situation appears to be really messed up. A lot of parents failed their kids here.

yes i heard this is part 2 , oriental guy assisted beating of one of their friends

Oriental...?
not cool

so now he's a rug?

Listen to ChicagoD, he knows what he is talking about.

ccbayer, try a dictionary before you play the race card:
'oriental: Of, from, or characteristic of the Far East: "oriental countries"'

From the Mother Fucking Orient!

While you're at it, look up Occident...

my colored friends agree

Thanks. I am pre-law.

Haha!  That's perfect.

Dammit, why are you people so stupid. Show me any rule in English, other than accepted usage, that supports this idiotic rug statement. There is not one. It is not a preferred term anymore, but it does not equal rug.

People from Asia (or descended from people from Asia) are Asian. Things, animals (rugs, cats) are Orientals.

How difficult is that?

The real question is how true is that? We could replace "Asian" with "Mexirali" and "Oriental" with "Noreeks" and have it be exactly as true.

I don't buy it either.  No confirmation but that's allegedly the other side of the story.  Trouble is, there is no real proof of that other than hearsay. They can make up any story they want.  The real proof is the video evidence before us, and that's the stuff that will hold up in a court of law.   

GOOD GOOD GOOD!!!
busted by their own stupidity [posting video]. they should all be charged as adults.

Palomino looks like a young Mark Wahlberg.  This kid will go far in life. 

Actually they said n---a, which has evolved to become the new replacement for "homie" in urban black-speak.  The funny thing is you have a bunch of punks acting all black when they aren't even black.  Is this a hate crime? I'd say yes but not exactly in the traditional sense. The attackers, and especially the chinese attackers, were in another state of mind where they firmly did not identity with the individual. Somehow their minds, their behavior had effectively morphed into that of a black or hispanic thug. In fact, if you remove the video and just left the audio, it would sound exactly like an anti-asian hate crime in progress. It is an exact match. Hate isn't just about skin, it's a state of mind too.

Perhaps there should be a law for something like this. If these punks want to be black, then by all means charge them as if they were black. Treat this as a black on asian hate crime. Why not?

So these kids were 'acting black' because they decided to jump a kid whose race is different from theirs? What Chinese attackers did you see in the video?  I just saw white kids beating a chinese kid. There are many more white thugs in the US than any other race, so I'm not sure how you figure that the behavior of these kids has somehow morphed into that of another race. Why treat this as a black on asian hate crime when it was a white on asian hate crime. Stop trying to attribute the hate of these white kids to black people. Attribute it to their upbringing, to their obvious lack of parental guidance, and their own personal disregard for another human being. None of which has anything to do with any black person.

LOL....get your eyes checked "son".  Time to take your head out of the sand and get your facts straight.  A large bunch of them were asian.  One white, one hispanic.  None were black.  I love people like you.  You have this awesome kneejerk reaction and you readily assume it's one race without hearing all the facts. You see what  you want to see.   

I can care less what race they are truthfully. It's idots like you who claim that they are 'acting black' who need to get the facts straight. As if these delinquents need to look past their own race, be they white, asian, or otherwise to see gang violence and emulate it. My knee-jerk reaction is to idiots like you who see urban violence as 'a black thing' when this video and urban violence in countries around the world whose residents are not black says otherwise. This type of crime is not exclusive to any one race. For you to suggest otherwise shows just how far you have your head in the sand and are ready to place the race of those not involved in the incident as an inducement to the perpetrators. Get real!

Um yes you're right.  They were acting like rough Orthodox Jewish kids.  Right. 

First of all you're very dumb and very blind.  Had you bothered to read the facts, you'd discover it wasn't white kids that did this.  It's a mix of asian, white and hispanic.  So don't tell me shit about placing the race of those not involved.  Secondly, we're not talking about gangster punks from other countries, we're talking about HERE.  These Chicago idiots emulated the particular language and behavior found commonly in tough black kids.  In fact, if you removed the video portion and just left the audio, I'd think it was a bunch of black kids beating up an asian kid.  Of course I don't blame the entire race you moron but you cannot deny where that influence came from. 
           

Bull$hit! - the new replacement for "homie" in black urban speak? Get the fuqq out of here! I hate when people OF ANY RACE, claim the n-word now has a new meaning.  Nothing is further from the truth! FACT - these gangstah rappers you base this misguided belief on - when they use the n-word 99.5% of the time it is attributed NEGATIVELY. For examples - they hate n-words who do this or that; or a n-words need to stop frontin' or fakin' or snitchin'.

Next, I am very offended that you think this behavior is "acting black".  Oh yeah, I know - you have loads of black friends.  They've even told you you've earned your "brother-card" and allow you to call them the n-word.

Apparently it does have a new meaning and not necessarily a racial one.  You don't believe me, look it up.  Hate to break it to you but that's the cold hard truth. 

It's implied that this behavior is found predominantly among rough young black men and also hispanic men.  The rest are the minority, as you see here, are asians, whites, etc that have adopted these mannerisms. 

Yea I do have some black friends, only one uses n---a when he's being playful.   

Well, you are right to be offended, but the fact is that "nigga" is used more or less constantly across races by a certain low-life element of young men. It is depressingly and unbelievably prevalent. And no, I neither have, not seek a "brother card."

"you have a bunch of punks acting all black "

youre really a dick arent you

"Acting all black."

I remember the Huxtables acted EXACTLY like the punks in the video...

Theo died in prison. He was raped to death by a Samoan.

No I'm not you

except they stfu when an actual thug comes up to them and asks them for their wallets.

Since they identify with that type of people, they will try their lingo on him.  Try to reason with him.  Of course, that's a 50/50 shot.  If it works, they get away.  My guess is the thug will treat them no differently than that victim in the video.  They will beat or maim them or worse.  An extra beating for even trying to sound black.  I guess that's the best way for them to learn a lesson.

"yo homeboy, messed up bro, u mah homey from anotha mothaaa. i luv dem booties too jz like u brahhh"

"what'd u just say to me"

followed by a beatdown.

haha - /b/usted, you little motherfuckers!

nice

hope this kids go to a hardcore juvie center where the meaning of a true beatdown will become illuminated to them on a daily basis.