3 Chicago Teens Charged With Hate Crime, Allegedly Put Noose Around Victim's Neck

there are so many things fucked up with this story, from that dude's t-shirt, to the fact that they went to brother rice h.s., it doesn't sound like anybody wants to be brothers in this story

That thing is a teenager?  What the hell do you guys have in your water in Chicago?!  I know we all eventually get the face we deserve, but damn.

I hate these kinds of things as much as the next person---but I don't believe that any hate crime should be charged (here or ever); it's too subjective.

Yeah. What would white people mean putting a noose around a black person's neck? I mean, that could mean a lot of things. They might not want to lynch you because you're black, per se, they might just want to lynch you.

Argue that you have a first amendment right to your speech and the crime is what it is and I might see your point of view. Argue that it's subjective and I tell you that all mens rea is subjective and we have gotten by fine for a millennium . . .

You charge them with attempted murder...but to charge them with a hate crime tells me this: It isn't as important if it were black-on-black, or white-on-white.

I'm generally somewhat sympathetic to the line of argument that hate crime laws are unnecessary or counterproductive; especially coming from minorities the, "Laws prohibiting assault, murder, etc. are already sufficient to punish people who'd commit a crime against me for any reason, regardless of my [race/ethnicity/sexual orientation/etc.]" notion that a crime is a crime and singling out bigotry-motivated instances of it is problematic is a line of reasoning that resonates with me to some degree.

But at the same time, the law has always taken into account motive in determining the severity of a crime. As a society, we've decided that premeditated murder is generally deserving of more punishment than, erm, spontaneous murder. We've decided that somebody who kills somebody to satisfy some kind of sadistic pleasure probably deserves more punishment than somebody who happens to use a gun in a fistfight. And so while I can see how there are problems with them, I see hate crimes laws in that same vein: it's just worse to harm someone as a result of bigotry, and consequently, the punishment is harsher. I really just don't have much of a problem with that being codified in law.

Yeah. No prayer of getting attempted murder. After all, while he could have died, they didn't try to kill him.

Aggravating factors don't make things more or less important. They just give more context to the actions. Like I said, the first amendment is your friend in this argument, not criminal law.

Really?! This news was very alarming. Teens with bad motives. Definitely, it has a deeper reason why they did this.

The interesting thing is that the Trib article said the kid told his parents, who called . . . the school. Not the police. The school. Not sure who did call the police.

This illustrates a strange tendency I've noticed among Chicago people to saddle its schools with all sorts of things schools can't do anything about. This is why every time a kid gets killed or beaten, it's always described as a Chicago Public Schools problem whether it happened on school property or miles away on a Saturday night. I've never seen this anyplace else. I don't get it.

Agreed. Every kid that gets shot anywhere is a "CPS student shot." I have to think that in this case it indicated that the parents didn't perceive a crime to have occurred.

In any case, messed up story. They better hope the cousin and this guy don't stay together. Talk about awkward holidays. "Hey, man, sorry about the whole noose-and-threatening-you-while-calling-you-n*gger thing. Egg nog?"

man, his nu-metal band's album sales are gonna tank when he's locked up.

Nice to see the boys in shitcongo taking care of business.

"shitcongo" 

*Gong*

This will be awkward to explain to his cellmate.

Not really, he'll get respect from the Woods/AB'ers.

Dan from Deadwood. Still one violent motherfucker.

Totes

Middle America, up to its usual tricks

you've never been to the far south side have you?

I live in brooklyn, but I am familiar with your south side.  

Yeah Brooklyn, where they chop up little boys.

Yeah, Chicago, where they think they are a city and call an aborted fetus in a lasagna pan a pizza

You realize Brooklyn isn't a city, right?

eh it was until 1898.  Chicago never will be.

So it was a city, but it got demoted because it couldn't handle the pressure. Gotcha.

"In 1883, the Brooklyn Bridge was completed, transportation to Manhattan was no longer by water only, and the City of Brooklyn's ties to the City of New York were strengthened. The question became whether Brooklyn was prepared to engage in the still-grander process of consolidation then developing throughout the region, whether to join with the county of New York, the county of Richmond and the western portion of Queens County to form the five boroughs of a united City of New York. Andrew Haskell Green and other progressives said Yes, and eventually they prevailed against the Daily Eagle and other conservative forces. In 1894, residents of Brooklyn and the other counties voted by a slight majority to merge, effective in 1898."


not demoted.  Transformed into Voltron, Defender of the Universe.

So you live in the Yellow Lion, and somehow feel superior to people living in the SDF-3.

you live in a giant penis.

You used to live in a very, very small vagina, until your mother kicked you out.

also, thanks for putting me into the top 100 of your little hamlet with this back and forth.

you fell out of your mothers giant vagina while she was stripping.

You mean because Brooklyn is an aborted fetus in a pan that people call a city?

What a completely stupid pissing match.

your mom wishes she aborted you

ha ha ha ha.

Project much?

I think you need to ask yourself that, based on my observations