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Map Shows How Speeding Cameras Will Cover The City

Now that Gov. Quinn has signed public act SB965 into law, drivers who speed 6 miles per hour or more within 1/8 mile of a school or park should smile for the camera. The Expired Meter obtained a list of every corner in Chicago that could potentially sport a speed meter:

According to this list, the cameras could cover only 79 of the city's more than 3,000 signalized intersections. But the affected areas cover the Northside, Westside, Southside and Downtown, meaning if you drive in Chicago you're likely to end up on camera.

Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s office has been cagey on Freedom of Information Act requests regarding speed cameras, among other issues, so The Expired Meter’s successful FOIA is good news on that front.

It’s very bad news for those who already object to Chicago’s network of at least 10,000 cameras installed at traffic lights, city schools and high-crime neighborhoods. Those cameras are integrated with private cameras through the city’s emergency system — an advance that makes the city the most watched U.S. city and alarms civil liberties groups.

The speed camera hardware is a retrofit for the city’s red-light cameras. Starting July 1, the new cameras can start monitoring “safety zones” near schools and parks. After 30 days of signage they can start issuing citations. Fines are $50 for speeding 6 to 10 miles per hour over the limit, and $100 for 11 miles per hour or more.

Emanuel lobbied hard for the bill, which he said will save lives. But statistical evidence for that claim is weak. Of Chicago’s 251 pedestrian fatalities between 2005 and 2009, the Tribune reported fewer than half occurred in the “safety zones” designated for speed cameras, and fewer than half of those involved speeding. Of course, that doesn’t say anything about reducing serious injuries, just fatalities.

Illinois already allows speed cameras in highway construction or maintenance zones. A study of the highway work zones pilot project concluded that speed cameras reduced the percentage of speeding drivers in one scenario from 93 percent to 45 percent. It didn’t say anything about injuries or fatalities.

Last week The Expired Meter obtained a copy of a report from the governor's office that showed nine out of every 10 people who contacted his office opposed the bill. That may be a moot point now, but it guarantees we haven’t heard the last of the debate.

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  • crusher153

    this is complete bullshit! i can see a ticket for someone who is doing like 20 miles per hour over the speed limit. anything under that is rediculous!

  • ChicagoD

    I do have so say, I am not familiar with lots of these intersections, but the ones I am familiar with are pretty much speedways. 

  • Navin_Johnson

     I think it's funny that they're supposed to be near parks and there's only one of them close to one corner of Humbolt Park (the actual park).

  • Navin_Johnson

    Hmmm, the wealthy strongholds of the city get off noticeably light....

  • Tafter

    You are never lacking a source for your righteous indignation, are you?  Look at the south side on that map and get back to me.  The only cameras down there are in hyde park and on stoney island (how hyde parkers get to the tollway).

    And, while there is definitely a lack of cameras in and around downtown, the wealthy northside neighborhoods and major corridors aren't getting off easy.  I mean look at Ashland!  6 cameras between North and Foster.

    You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel here, man...

  • Navin_Johnson

    Oh hi Tafter. 

    Hey guys, it's the always overwrought, always histrionic Tafter.  Thanks for stopping by Tafter.  How's your day?

  • That seems odd, as my understanding of this is that it's a function of school and park locations. I can't think why there would be more school and parks in poor neighborhoods. I'd actually expect the opposite to be true.

  • ChicagoD

    Maybe wealthy people drive a little more responsibly. Also, Peterson from Pulaski to Cicero ain't exactly the projects. Ditto Clark/Fullerton and Illinois/Columbus.

  • JDG

    You've GOT to be kidding, right? That's a joke, right? Some of the WORST driving I've ever encountered has been from people in BMWs, Mercedes, spendy SUVs (Range Rovers, Cayennes*, etc.), Audis, Saabs, and the like. Between driving recklessly fast, they often act as if they own the road.

    *Why, oh why, would Porsche make an SUV? I know they had to stay competitive, but for God's sake, it's a Porsche! The furthest thing from an SUV!

  • ChicagoD

    I must be kidding because "JDG" has some anecdotes to tell us all about.

    Also, notice that I picked specific intersections.

  • JDG

    No, your comment was "Maybe wealthy people drive a little more responsibly."

    Which seems a ridiculous statement to make. Yes, I have anecdotal evidence that I've seen people in expensive cars drive irresponsibly. Since I haven't started an official research study on the matter, that's what I've got on the ball on that one.

    But, I also don't get the conclusion that wealthy = responsible.

    Unrelated: I thought these were supposed to go up within 1/8 of a mile of a school or park. So, why should the neighborhood matter? It's still an arbitrary decision where to put them? There are plenty of wealthy neighborhoods that I've driven around in that I don't live in. So, even if us poor people drive like shit, we're still driving all over the city, so I don't see how it matters where the cameras are. It would seem you're either going to universally protect all schools and parks, or you're not. Not to mention, I'd think Rahm would want to get his hands on all the money he could get.

  • ChicagoD

    Sigh. You're right. Go away from me now, OK?

  • JDG

    Oh, yay. The Chicagoist comments section is as friendly as its ever been. I'll be happy to "go away from you." My mistake for my 3rd or 4th comment in as many years.

  • ChicagoD

    Feel free to direct future comments to any of the other nice and gracious denizens of the board. I, for one, am not interested in a 200 post argument about a facetious comment.

  • Navin_Johnson

    Click through to the map on the site where you can see how it looks writ large, you're choosing exceptional locations on purpose.  The neighborhoods nearest downtown, and nearer the lake look pretty sparse compared to everywhere else.  It's kind of noticeably obvious.  I don't know if that's a coincidence or not, but I think it's funny/curious.  Let's not argue for the sake of it ok?

    I have no problem with the cameras so it doesn't bother me that they're in my hood.  In fact I know a few locations where they're not that I wish they were. 

    I did hear an interesting interview on WBEZ yesterday, where a guy was saying that without the signs telling you your speed, these are not very good at changing driving behaviors.  I'd love to see those all over.  Apparently they actually slow people down by themselves, without even the threat of a camera/ticket.

    http://www.wbez.org/episode-se...

  • ChicagoD

    I wonder if it is also a function of congestion. Some spots along the lakefront are speeding proof because you can never go faster than a crawl.

    I mean, ultimately it's about the money, but still.

  • Navin_Johnson

     No, I thought about that too.  Too traffic congested in those areas to speed.  Like I said, I don't know if it means anything, just thought it was funny.

  • ChicagoD

    Are you proud of me for not arguing for its own sake? I'm feeling very actualized at the moment.

  • ChicagoD

    There's a sign as you exit from 70/55 to 44 in St. Louis that flashes when you're speeding. I feel like I have not been doing my job if it isn't flashing.

  • JDG

    Well, maybe they will need to post more speed limit signs around the city as well. I often can't remember which streets are 25, which are 30, and which are 35. There's a method to the madness, but I can't ever keep them straight.

  • twocee

     I said a similar thing in an earlier thread.  I have absolutely no problem with speed limit cameras as long as the speed limit in that zone is clearly posted and marked.  But that's not going to happen.

    So the a-holes who want to ride my bumper are going to just have to live with me doing 25.

  • ChicagoD

    You can always toss a golf ball out your window.

  • Foster seems relatively clear, yay!

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