Law Enforcement Continues Preparations For NATO, G8 Summits

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This is really sad and very scary. Many Chicagoans will want to be a part of the protests, and we are being discouraged and almost threatened to stay away. I suppose that's the idea. How sad that people who want to peacefully demonstrate and show our disapproval toward globablizationj policies are being treated like criminals, thugs, terrorists. Has anyone thought that having people come from all over the country to protest may actually be a boon to the city...hotels, restaurants, local businesses? Why did the mayor invite these groups in the first place if he's so afraid of the protestors? Again, what a shame.

Chicago likes to be on the wrong side of history.  These same commenters would have all been for bashing everyone in sight back in the 60's too.

Yeah. Those assholes protesters who went on to become . . . the exact people you are always bitching about. Good thing nobody called them out for being empty-headed goofs living off their parents and a college deferment.

I'll give you one thing, Navin, you'v3e got big balls

You can remove them from your mouth now.

Im afraid someone might take this as a chance to live the "good ole days" of haymarket square

Good luck with your riots, guys.  Let us know us how they turn out by needlessly detailing every single arrest for civll disobedience if it was game 7 of the World Series.  And please be sure to equate the always on-point shoutings of Joe/Jane-Anarchist as they get arrested with the sufferings endured by a famous political freedom fighter who had been imprisioned and toutured for decades

And best wishes to your future trolling. You do realize that you can view user's past "activity" right?

Thank you, I appreciate your kind thoughts.  

The illoominati boys are back in town

spread the word around

Was hosting this a consolation prize from the IOC?

Crain's reported on Monday that a “source close to planning the events” said trained sharpshooters who can “shoot the head off a nickel from 500 feet” will be on hand.

Just like Egypt, Syria, Iran, Yemen and Bahrain.

Cops will get to test out all their fancy military equipment, the same equipment we shipped over to Egypt to help the regime kill and abuse protestors.

I plan to be out of town that week so I hope they test some 'very low frequency noise' crowd control devices on them... "Effects: disorientation, vomiting fits, bowel spasms, uncontrollable defecation".  That would really make some compelling footage on youtube!

Make sure to send us photos from your "Mouth breathing Human Tumor Retreat".

Always such a cheery disposition!

I don't see them trying to make a connection between protesters and terrorists.  I see them being realistic about what kind of "protesters" the summits are going to attract -- namely people who will see otherwise legal demonstrations as an excuse to throw bricks into windows, overturn cars, and cause general havoc. 

The problem is that it does not take very many people to turn this into complete chaos.  In 2009 40 protesters were arrested for blocking roads and railroad tracks and for breaking into Italian power plants.  Can you imagine if a small group decided to trek down to Morris to the nuclear power plant, or over into Indiana to any number of refineries or steel mills?  In 2010 the mostly peaceful protest marches turned violent in Toronto when a very small number of people decided to start hurling chairs into downtown windows and set police cars on fire.  How do you think the CPD is going to react to that?  I'll tell you -- not well.

Better that the mayor and the cops and the citizens who live here be prepared and be realistic about what an absolute clusterf*** this could turn out to be.  And just hope that if you work anywhere in the Loop that your employer will let you work from home.

and most likely, those throwing bricks, breaking windows, and generally provoking havoc will be provocateurs -- courtesy of the agents of the national security state.

what else displays the awesomeness of american exceptionalism than employing tactics of any totalitarian regime...

Wow, the conspiracy theorists run amok today.

You want to believe that all of these protesters are peace and love hippies who just want to smoke pot and have a campfire to sing around, go for it.  Because I'm sure EVERY nation that has hosted the G8 for the last 10 years has had the same agenda of seeding these protests with agents to throw rocks, which will then allow the government to become totalitarian dictators.  And lets include the protests for the WTO and NATO summits, since they are usually the same groups.  Yep, that's sane and logical.

When the only constant across multiple protests are the protesters themselves, you have to start blaming the protesters.

There are two constants - police and protesters. The psychology of mass protest and violence is much more complicated than just "bad apples" on either side deciding to either riot and throw things through windows or shower a group of people with tear gas and pepper spray.

By the time demonstrations begin, there's already been a steady stream of rhetoric coming from both sides. Both groups are frightened of each other, and the smallest thing sets one off (on either side) and immediately snowballs into larger craziness.

Most major incidents quickly become a "he said she said" scenario, where demonstrators will blame police for inciting violence, and police will say they were just responding to violence with appropriate force. In many cases, both sides seem to forget that the antagonizing done by each is what really leads to the majority of violence. Yes, there's always going to be some idiot kid who wants to throw a brick through a Starbucks window, just like there's always going to be a cop who really wants to crack some hippie skulls. But is firing tear gas into a crowd of people trying to help someone after they've been hit with a concussion grenade an appropriate response? Is trashing a random business because people were mass arrested a few blocks away an appropriate response? I would say no in both cases.

Unfortunately, the more both sides posture, the more we're likely to see a lot of really unfortunate scenarios play out.

Well said aaron.  While my sympathies generally lie with the people tasked with dealing with basic crowd control, I am well aware that there are lots of cops who just want an excuse to beat the crap out of someone.  Just like there are lots of people who want an excuse for vandalism and looting.

I will say that as far as the tear gas goes -- the simple fact is, when a cop or a group of cops is put into a situation where there might be violence or danger to them, their immediate reaction is going to be a show of force.  As a protester, resisting arrest or doing anything other than lying on the ground complacently or leaving when you are told to (whether you did anything wrong or not), is not going to end well for you.  That is common sense.  But mob mentality takes over, and you have a bunch of ordinarily intelligent people doing really stupid things.  On both sides.

conspiracy theorists

lmfao.  There's tons of footage of cops being caught amongst protestors, dressed like "anarchists" and trying to raise hell.  Unfortunately for them we live in a world of youtube and cell cameras now.  People always said that police brutality wasn't a problem either.  Now there's a video of some cop using excessive force against somebody popping up weekly.

You want to believe that all of these protesters are peace and love
hippies who just want to smoke pot and have a campfire to sing around,
go for it.

Yes, most (but, no..not *all*) are generally peaceful, usually violence begins when police show up and escalate the tension.  Apparently you've basically ignored hours and hours of news footage of the last several months of occupy protests.  Obviously your totally cliched "hippie" comment shows that you have a biased opinion on the subject regardless.

When the only constant across multiple protests are the protesters themselves, you have to start blaming the protesters.

Like the ones who were peacefully sitting in that huge school quad and had their faces pepper sprayed? Without the damning footage I'm sure we'd be talking about "anarchists" again....

"lmfao.  There's tons of footage of cops being caught amongst protestors,
dressed like "anarchists" and trying to raise hell.  Unfortunately for
them we live in a world of youtube and cell cameras now.  People always
said that police brutality wasn't a problem either.  Now there's a video
of some cop using excessive force against somebody popping up weekly."

LMFAO indeed.  Care to share any footage which actually proves something?  The only link you provided in this thread proves nothing to a rational person.

To an irrational, far left extremist I'm sure it proves the world.  Unfortunately for your cause, most of the world isn't nearly as paranoid or delusional as you.

The thing that really pisses me off about these absurd claims you are making is that you conflate the actions of the few to the entire group...but only when it comes to the side you don't like.  One dirty asshole cop pepper spraying helpless kids?  ALL COPS ARE DIRTY ASSHOLES!  One hippy throwing a brick through a window?  DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO HIM...WE ARE PEACEFUL!!!

You can't have it both ways.  I don't even think you realize that you are doing this.  Your bias runs too deep...

One dirty asshole cop pepper spraying helpless kids?  ALL COPS ARE DIRTY ASSHOLES!

I never said any such thing. 

To an irrational, far left extremist I'm sure it proves the world.

Like the ex-cop quoted in the article?  The CBC?  The labor leaders? 

"far left extremists".

One hippy throwing a brick through a window? DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO HIM...WE ARE PEACEFUL!!!

Well yes, one "hippy" acting up is one hippy acting up. It represents the whole no more than a few drunks being kicked out of a concert represents a crowd.

I'll have to disagree with you on that. While there are plenty of
paranoid fantasies out there, the idea that law enforcement is not only
interested in but actively attempting to infiltrate, discredit and
provoke groups has plenty of examples across history in the past five
decades. COINTELPRO, the Red Scare, etc. Most recently, there's
documentation of the NYPD doing this multiple times in 2004:
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/...

And Denver police even pepper sprayed one of their own at the 2008 DNC: http://www.denverpost.com/brea...

Focusing on the more recent data points you provide, I can agree with you on infiltrating.  There is ample evidence that police infiltrate and monitor protests.

The more subjective, and to my knowledge as yet unproven, allegations of incitement or discrediting of the groups are what I object to.  Those allegations are interesting in that they attempt to both deflect blame for the nasty actions of these leftist groups and at the same time attempt to discredit agencies whom the groups consider enemies.  Especially without concrete proof, I'm extremely unsympathetic to those charges as they fit the agendas of these groups too neatly.

Yes, any bad actors on the government's side should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.  Yes, any coordinated illegal behavior on the part of law enforcement should be rooted out and punished.  But trotting out big foot-quality footage of supposed agent provocateurs and using it to try to discredit entire agencies and governments is way over the line.  And it doesn't help when those pushing the argument, like Navin, act like it is accepted fact.

It isn't.  Proof is still required.  And I'm not talking about proof of the Wilson administrations actions during the first red scare.

You’ve got a point – there always needs to be proof. However, I think what you state actually works in the reverse as well. The allegations police make in many situations (ex – demonstrators throwing M80’s in Oakland) are an attempt to discredit entire movements and often there is no physical evidence they provide. In addition, when videos of police brutality or other illegal actions air, they do everything in their power to get them removed. On the ground, law enforcement often harasses both amateur and professional videographers, photographers and journalists. Plenty of times, police have confiscated and destroyed equipment. What I’m saying is – the same thing happens from their lines too. They manipulate evidence of their guilt in things to change the story.

I've said on this very board that the Occupy protesters are very different than the professional protesters who come to the world summits.  And I have praised the Occupy protesters for both their cause (to a point) and for their mostly peaceful demonstrations.  It, in fact, has been rather nice to see.

But the G8 protesters are NOT the Occupy protesters.  And although it is only a very small percentage of them who want to cause havoc, it is that small percentage that DO cause the problem and make police outfitted in riot gear a necessity.

And way to call me out on a bias that I have already admitted to in a previous comment.  Ooooo...burn.  I suppose that bias makes anything I say on the subject invalid.  Fine.  Your bias against anything to do with the cops makes what you say just as invalid.

So, ya'll have fun and go hang out downtown from May 15-22 and blame the cops and the government and the MAN when total chaos erupts.  Because I'm sure that any time a brick is thrown through a window it's a government conspiracy. 

Canadian police were caught using agent provocateurs, who had rocks and were trying to incite violence, and there are tons of videos of jock/cop looking "anarchists" who are raising hell and then gently taken behind police lines.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...

The article says that police admitted to having undercover cops among the protestors. This is a reasonable practice. It did not say any of these undercover cops were "agent provocateurs," or that they instigated anything.

Unfortunately for you, the world is experiencing an increasing shortage of tin from which to make foil. Hopefully, aluminum will make a suitable substitute.

There are other cases in which law enforcement has used undercover informants to incite violence.

http://motherjones.com/politic...

Aaron: that article doesn't exactly prove anything, does it?  It lays out a theory as to what Darby was doing, but the evidence is far from clear.

This is a favorite paranoid fantasy of the far left.  While there have undoubtedly been cases of it happening, I've seen very little compelling evidence and far too many "boy crying wolf" cases to consider most such claims seriously.

The Tea Party had it's death panels and "gubment gunna take our guns" conspiracy theories.  This is the OWS's version of that.

This is a favorite paranoid fantasy of the far left.  While there have undoubtedly been cases of it happening

haha..

Lol, yeah I'm sure that they'd admit that they were inciting violence.  Never mind that videos show it, and it's something that's happened time and time again throughput our history. 

Get the CBC some tinfoil too Blue:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...

In the footage filmed Monday afternoon, three burly men with bandanas and other covers over their faces push through protesters toward a line of riot police. One of the men has a rock in his hand.

In the end, they squeeze behind the police line, where they are calmly handcuffed.

Luckily protesters put a stop to it before undercover police "anarchists" could give the give the regular cops an excuse to crack down.

"Coles and other union leaders....accuse them of being police agents..."

Not sure what that statement is supposed to "prove" other than a bunch of people are accusing a bunch of other people of doing something which is not ultimately proven or provable.  It's a classic he said/she said and who you believe is going to depend wildly upon your already preconceived notions of the two groups.  I think the entire commentariat know where we both stand Navin.

None of this changes the fact that G8 protests almost always turn violent and bloody.  If you want to blame the cops, fine, blame the cops.  But I see it as a typical reaction that happens whenever a large crowd of people gathers.  In Chicago this is going to be especially ugly, given the number of gangbangers and hoodlums we already have running around the city who like to take advantage of large crowds to cause mayhem (see Taste of Chicago for just one example).

As I said before, this is going to be a clusterf***.  You remove all the cops from the scene, and people are going to run wild and downtown is going to be complete anarchy for a week.  You put the number of cops you need for crowd control down there, and there will be clashes between cops and people and someone is inevitably going to get the shit beat out of them. 

You want to avoid it all?  Leave town, and write to the mayor that he damn well better not invite the thing back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

This is the video. For some reason, the people posting this video like to put up a bunch of leadup intro text over the image at the start, so you don't really see how these three guys get to where they are. Once they're there, they are just standing there. I see no evidence of anybody rushing anything or getting ready to throw anything. They're just standing around getting yelled at. It proves nothing.

I wonder if the people who made Office Space ever considered making a Jump To Conclusions Mat out of tin foil.

The CBC video does not do that.  Looks like you're going to discuss this in bad faith.  Enjoy your vacation, at least you can afford it.

Anyway, I'm glad we've gotten from "It doesn't happen, it's tinfoil talk" to "Well the footage doesn't catch the account of these guys breaking out of the crowd".

The CBC footage is from the same video, likely starting around 1:19 in the video I posted, though that video also has been heavily edited. The CBC video doesn't show the masked guys acting any more violently than any of the others. They're just standing around getting yelled at.

And I know I often have to remind you of how the English language works, but "it didn't happen" equals "the footage doesn't catch the account of these guys breaking out of the crowd." Now, you can define being called out on your bullshit claim "not arguing in good faith" and go off in a huff if you want, but that doesn't strengthen your claim.

Anyway, thanks for the well wishes on the trip. I'll have fun not thinking of you.

So you look at this video, and what you see are three unidentified guys in masks standing around getting yelled at by one old dude and a whole bunch of other unidentified guys in makes. Nobody was instigating anything, and we have no idea who these unidentified guys in masks were. There is no proof they were cops. While the cops admit they had undercover officers among the protestors, there's nothing that proves these are them. And even if it was, they didn't do anything except get hauled off.

That's some rock solid proof you've got there.

Ha, good save Blue.  How's your foot taste?

So you're not even going to try to prove what you say? Just go to grade school taunting?

I ask again, how did these guys instigate anything? Where is the video that shows the cops starting riots?

The news account tells exactly what they did, broke through and charged toward the police line but they got outed and penned in by protestors.  Geez, just give up. Face it, you embarrassed yourself with your tinfoil remark and here it is covered by Canada's most respected news service.

Your assertions are conjecture. Paranoid conjecture at that.  You've proved NOTHING.  And, typical of your ability to reason, you turn around and say someone else embarrassed themselves.

I'll give you one thing, Navin, you'v3e got big balls.

CBC reporting on it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

...and for those of us who just want to be able to make it to work in the Loop: get your vacation days for May approved now.

Heh ... you're slow. My significant other and I made our plans the week this thing was announced. We will be on a Georgia beach with our heads literally in the sand.

Lucky! May I suggest taking a ride on the Georgia Queen in Savannah Great ride.