Lately we've dedicated more than a few sentences about Honky Tonk BBQ, the new Pilsen-based barbecue restaurant officially opening in late September. We even announced that they were doing a sneak preview of their menu last weekend. Having sampled their 'cue while making our rounds on the street fair circuit we had a lot of questions, mainly about the true quality of the meat.
Our questions on that subject were answered after our visit to 1213 W. 18th Street (phone number 312-907-7895) Friday night. When Honky Tonk BBQ officially opens on September 29, our feeling is that the word-of-mouth regarding the barbecue here will earn this place a loyal following and curious visits from foodies and BBQ aficionados. We were telling some Chicagoist staffers that we think Honky Tonk BBQ's product is better than Honey 1, on a par with Smoque. But we still had a lot of questions, so we paid a return visit Saturday to talk with owner Willie Wagner to see if he had some time to answer them.
The affable, likable Wagner did, and then some.
Wagner, a longtime Pilsen resident, has been making his barbecue for over fifteen years. He also has the mobile rotisserie smoker that's been making its way around the street fairs ready for added duty. Wagner says his meats are always fresh, never frozen; and that he's a fan of Memphis-style barbecue. "I think that Memphis barbecue, between the wood and the sauces, tends to be sweeter. There also isn't a lot of sauce on the meat, which I think allows people to taste that the wood's adding to the meat," Wagner told us. "It stands on its own, I think." Wagner uses mainly applewood for smoking, with small amounts of oak and hickory added for some spice. He also adds no water to his meats. "I'll smoke my ribs for a couple hours, then wrap them in foil and put them back in the smoker, letting them cook in their own steam." He slow smokes his briskets for around twelve hours, then wraps them and cooks them for another two. "I've found that anything longer than fourteen hours tends to make the brisket too soft. They just become mush," he said.
We had absolutely no complaints with the half-slab of spare ribs or the small beef brisket sandwich. We were able to cut into the meat with a spoon and pull the bones from the meat on the former. The beef brisket was unbelievably juicy; a side of horseradish made for the perfect complement. Both the ribs and brisket were steeped in applewood. Hours after we finished eating, we could still smell smoke on our clothes and hands. Another wonderful side was the mixed-green salad with Michigan blueberries, walnuts, jicama, and goat cheese. We also ordered a side of baked beans, a steal at $1. The total cost of this meal was $22, and we got to enjoy it in the comfort of our home.
That's the other major thing diners will find out about Honky Tonk BBQ: it's very intimate. Right now, Wagner is sharing his two-room space with a theater troupe. The main room only seats 24 people, but Wagner hopes to have some window seating built before the hard opening and eventually expand Honky Tonk into the other room, for extra sit-down dining. Once word-of-mouth hits, a sizable amount of Wagner's business will come from carry-out orders; until he can expand dining into both rooms, seating will be at a premium here.
Wagner wants to getting a liquor license for Honky Tonk BBQ. Until that happens, it'll be BYOB. "I envision some nights where we'll have fixed-price dinners, with your choice of a wine, or a bottle of Shiner Bock." Otherwise, the laid-back Wagner is content to go with the flow regarding this new venture, with the ultimate goal of making Honky Tonk a destination spot. "I'm not locked into this rigid plan for the place. If we find something that works that we hadn't planned on, then we'll go in that direction. I can change directions pretty easily." Until then, he has a lot of work to do. On our Saturday visit a new 10-burner stove stood in the middle of the kitchen, ready to replace the currently in use. There's also the matter of hiring staff, and placing finishing touches on the restaurant before the opening.
So far, Wagner says it's falling into place better than he expected. "I've got Fulton County Line playing music for the opening, and I'm pretty confident people will come by just to see what the fuss is about."



This is all based on one visit:
Brisket was dry and underseasoned. The horseradish helped moisten the meat, but it shouldn't need to be. It looked like it was all cut from the flat, nothing from the point, which explains why it was dry.
Baby back ribs (I'd ordered spares, but I rolled with it) were a touch too soft, but good. I wish they'd leave the sauce off all of the meats if you're eating in, because the sauce is a bit sweet.
The short rib had great flavor but I think had not been smoked quite enough, as it was still fairly tough.
Cole slaw was fine, baked beans were good, with bits of pulled pork in the mix. That said, I think the baked beans *might* have been, say, a tweaked Bush's. Nothing wrong with that, as Bush's baked beans are really fairly good.
The highlight of the meal was the salad, which had a great dressing and was a great way to cut the richness and heaviness of the meal we were about to eat.
As for my rib rankings, Honky Tonk wouldn't make the top 5 (neither would Smoque, which I'm also not terribly enamored of but which I think is superior to HT). That top 5 would include: Honey 1, Lem's, Uncle John's, Barbara Ann's, and I-57 rib shack.
That said, these are the best ribs within a mile of my house, so we'll be back to try the spares and get another salad, but it won't stop me from grabbing Honey 1 on the way home from work every now and then.
Things I wish HT would do:
Start smoking hot links. That place could get a lot more of my business if they went to Uncle John's or Grant Park Packing, got a case or two of his hot links, and started smoking them.
Not sauce anything for eat-in.
Smoke packer cut briskets, or if they are, ask the customer whether they want fattier or leaner brisket.
Season the brisket much more aggressively, with a much stronger rub. Salt Lick BBQ in Texas, for instance, has a great full-flavored rub that permeates the fat in the point and mixes with the smoke.
Smoke the short rib a bit longer.
Like I said, we'll be back to give the spares a chance, and because it's so close, but I wouldn't recommend anyone skip Honey 1, Smoque, UJ's, etc for it.
Also I have to say something about this:
`He also adds no water to his meats. "I'll smoke my ribs for a couple hours, then wrap them in foil and put them back in the smoker, letting them cook in their own steam." He slow smokes his briskets for around twelve hours, then wraps them and cooks them for another two.`
Bleh. Maybe this is how he's solving the dryness problem, but it's not a very good way.
And FWIW our one visit was thursday evening, so maybe he tweaked things by friday. Again, this is based on one visit, and no barbecue joint is smoking exactly the way they want to be in their first, say, 3+ months. Takes a while to get used to the equipment.
Try as I might, I just can't get into Chicago barbecue. Chicago's good for a lot of things, but all the barbecue joints seem pale imitations of places where I've eaten down south.
Then again, I don't often feel like driving to North Carolina, Kentucky, or Texas. I guess it's feast or famine.
I'm from Kansas City and now a landed citizen of Chicago and I have not found a good BBQ joint in this town. It seems fake. I think what really makes BBQ in a town good is if everyone in the town is a BBQ junkie. That has not seemed to happen here in Chicago. Competiton, style, taste and sauces have turned my hometown into a mecca for BBQ. Chicago needs to stick to hotdogs.
I've know Willie for 20 years (friend of a friend) and I can't wait to try his BBQ.
Thanks for the answers to my questions Chuck. Sincerely. (Verno)
I think they're going to have a very difficult time getting a liquor license, particularly with the kind of business they are, in this part of town. May St. Cafe is still hung up, and they're much more like the locals than Mr. Wagner. Still, I'm looking forward to trying this place and I hope he does well.
I'm also from Kansas City, and can't find anything close to what I'm looking for here. Chicago barbecue places seem to think of barbecue as some kind of gourmet food that can be perfected through advanced cooking techniques or something. None of it is very good. Any barbecue place serving a "mixed-green salad with Michigan blueberries, walnuts, jicama, and goat cheese" along with your meal just isn't going to get it. Fixed-price dinners with a bottle of wine? Come on now..